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Help wiht Depression

anonymous

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I have struggled with sevre depression for a long time now, and nothing is helping. I am already on medication, and seeing a therapist once a week, but nothing seems to help. It's gotten so bad, that I get suicidal once in a while. Anyone have anything that REALLY helps them?
 

Jane

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I understand the struggles associated with depression. Medicine and counselors can be changed until you find one that fits your needs, but it is exhausting. You are still seeking answers which is hopeful. Don't stop looking even though the road is difficult. Do you have friends, go to school or work so you have others around you?

I'm sure there are many others on this site with similar stories who may be able to offer more advice to help with your battle.
 

Ender

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I read a study where ketamine injections help people with depression that don't respond to conventional treatment as well. Just don't take too much or you will go to lala land for a good while hehehehe

The affects last for like a week apparently.
 

NoExcuses

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i agree with Mel. You may need more of your med (Do you see a psych regularly or is your CF/primary care doc giving u an SSRI) or to change to a better med.

Cutting edge treatment is Cymbalta. I would be seen by a psych if you're not already.
 

anonymous

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I would say find another counselor if the one you are seeing isn't helping.

Personally I've been on many anti-depressants. Paxil does me best. Zoloft made me pyscho, Wellbutrin made me like energizer bunny on crack, Effexor and Cymbalta were the worst medicine experiences I have ever had!!!!
 

EnergyGal

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When I started getting panic attacks before my second tx, I asked for some meds. First I tried a mild dose of<b> Buspar.</b> I felt like A women under a veil. It was a weird feeling. It helped to calm me in a weird uncomfortable way. So after a month, I stopped weaned off etc... Then I tried a few days of <b>Lexapro</b> with another one I think <b>clonasapen</b>. I would feel good at first almost like sipping on wine fell asleep but when I would wake up I would have a ranging headache that lasted for a day. I know they gave me very low dossages. I decided to try lexapro again after two weeks again. I felt like I had a panic attack inside of me that I could not release. That was one nightmare of a day. Psychotropics do not agree with me.

In the hospital I hated <b>morphine</b> and <b>fentanyl</b>. Once they stopped the pain meds I was fine. I was so doped up that I kept on asking for pain meds in the beginning. when I had these crazy halluncinations or dreams, I decided that I would never take the meds again and refused all pain meds. Thankfully for me or else I would probably have been in the hospital so much longer.

If I ever need surgery again and need pain meds, I am going to ask the doctor to bring in an accupuncturist and I will endure the pain.

I remember taking<b> xanax </b> and<b> Ambien</b> at different times before my first transplant and every morning I would feel like I had a hang over (only had one in my life and never forgot the feeling) so I stopped taking xanax and it is bad for the breathing and it supresses the respiratory system especially if you have lung disease and you are going to bed at night not a good idea. For my first tx I eneded up with <b>adtivan</b> (never should have been given that) and I fell fast asleep that my canula fell off my face and went into respiratory failure. Learned to tape my face with canula after that experience. The next morning, I did not answer my phone for my therapist so she called and ambulance and she was right about going into respiratory failure.

I am just not good for certain types of drugs. I guess in some ways I am very strong mentally and can adapt to the pain just from going through so many difficult times. I really believe in the power to heal yourself mentally but for some people taking drugs really help them. It takes a lot of work but it is worth the effort. I also believe in eating healthy through your tough times. It really makes a huge difference.
 

NoExcuses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Risa</b></i>



I remember taking<b> xanax </b> and<b> Ambien</b> at different times before my first transplant and every morning I would feel like I had a hang over (only had one in my life and never forgot the feeling) so I stopped taking xanax and it is bad for the breathing and it supresses the respiratory system especially if you have lung disease and you are going to bed at night not a good idea. \
</end quote></div>

Just a side note - any hypnotic can surpress the respiratory system as well. Ambien, Lunesta, and Sonata included.
 

EnergyGal

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I was given Paxil in the hospital and I got dizzy from it but I think it did help to keep me calm. I weaned off of it after the transplant but remember feeling like I was stoned. I felt I could deal with everything so it was a big help at certain moments.
 

Asexyblond23

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I have been on a whole group of them. First I tried Zoloft and Xanax and that worked great for 8 months so I took myslef off. After 2 years I needed something again. So I tried zoloft again and xanax but the zoloft gave me tremers and my hands would not stop shaking. So i tried lexapro. It worked good for about 6 months but I felt that it didnt control all the aneixty, i need a tad bit more so they uped it to 7.5mg and that just gave me really bad headaches and I couldn't seelp more then 3 hours a night. So I tried buspar and paxil. The paxil gave me a terrible headache and I couldnt sleep so adfter 4 days I stoped taking it. I was on 5 mgof the buspar for another 2 weeks of that and xanax and thats when I decided that I wanted to try and do this without all the drugs b/c for the past 4 months all i felt was up and down and in and out, and headaches and dizzy and I didnt even feel like a person. So I am now taking only xanax but I am taking the xanax xr. It is a controlled relase so it stays a constant in your body and you dont have the ups and downs of taking it 3 times a day. I really really like the xr. I dont feel the good feeling and then the aneixty feeling everyday. It's alot better!
 

Scarlett81

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I haven't been on antidepressants yet. I'm open to them if I need them though. I've been in therapy for 2 years. I had some really bad things happen to me as a child and as a result I have Post Traumatic Stress disorder. It is an anxiety disorder. It has gotten alot better, and my therapy helped me alot. But for awhile I'd have awful flashback of the abuse, even hallucinations. My psych didn't want to start me on meds to soon b/c some people with PSTD need to really feel their trauma in therapy before they use meds. For PTSD the only way to improve sometimes is to relive the pain, of course in a safe environment with your therapist. But PTSD is a very specific issue, and alot of emotional disorders are treated differently.

I would try to see another therapist, or up your session to 2x a week. If you are having no progress-you have to tell them. Especially if you are thinking about suicide, which I had a few times also.

Try very hard to seek out good friends and friends who will listen-you can't keep this stuff inside. You have to talk it out. I don't know if you are a spiritual person, but my faith really helped me. Talk to a spiritual counselor if you have one, or start reading spiritual things, pray for help with this. I'm only saying that b/c that really made a difference. There is scientific proof that spiritual people cna be more happy and deal with crisis better.

If you had an actual traumatic thing happen in your life, go to borders and find a good book that pertains to your situation. Read uplifting things, things that will give you coping tools.

I really had to look at my emotional disorder as a serious aspect of my health-it took priority in my life. I did all I could to get better-b/c I knew I deserved a better life. I deserved to be happier. You deserve to be happier. You can be that person you are thinking of-b/;c that person is inside you. They just have to be let out.

Personal Message me anytime.
 

EnergyGal

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Dear Anon

I hear that you really want to get better. Keep that in mind always as that is a positive step in your recovery. Knowing that you will try a different treatment being natural or medication is the right path because you are going to get better eventually. Things take time to iron out. If you do not like your therapist find a different one. If the med is not working ask for another one. Seek out ways so you can learn to balance your mind and body with meditation or yoga and just plain ole exercise. To me I have taken some drugs for short periods of time but nothing compares to learning to slow down your mind and accepting yourself for who you are. As long as you have patience you will get better. Loving yourself is very important even if you do not feel so well at this moment.

Risa
 

NoExcuses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Asexyblond23</b></i>

I have been on a whole group of them. First I tried Zoloft and Xanax and that worked great for 8 months so I took myslef off. After 2 years I needed something again. So I tried zoloft again and xanax but the zoloft gave me tremers and my hands would not stop shaking. So i tried lexapro. It worked good for about 6 months but I felt that it didnt control all the aneixty, i need a tad bit more so they uped it to 7.5mg and that just gave me really bad headaches and I couldn't seelp more then 3 hours a night. So I tried buspar and paxil. The paxil gave me a terrible headache and I couldnt sleep so adfter 4 days I stoped taking it. I was on 5 mgof the buspar for another 2 weeks of that and xanax and thats when I decided that I wanted to try and do this without all the drugs b/c for the past 4 months all i felt was up and down and in and out, and headaches and dizzy and I didnt even feel like a person. So I am now taking only xanax but I am taking the xanax xr. It is a controlled relase so it stays a constant in your body and you dont have the ups and downs of taking it 3 times a day. I really really like the xr. I dont feel the good feeling and then the aneixty feeling everyday. It's alot better!</end quote></div>

I would be careful about taking a benzodiazapime for a long period of time. They are addictive.

Plus they mask the problem because they are muscle relaxants. An SSRI can actually help your brain "receive" the seratonin that your brain is producing. If you have increased seratonin, your'e less likely to have depression and panic attacks.

There's a common misperception about SSRI's like Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft, Effexor and Lexapro is that they actually alter your moods. But the reality is, they are allowing the existing receptors in your brain to receive the seratonin that your body produces naturally.

Think of it like two magnets that for whatever reason aren't attracted to each other anymore. SSRI helps the magnets come together again. It doesn't create the magnets. Or make more magnets. Just allows them to return to normal.
 

Scarlett81

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I think it can be very helpful to determine the cause of the depression. I know I touched on this in my long post! But that can help decide which meds to use also. Is it chemical? How severe? Are there OCD-like symptoms present? Did you have trama in your earlier life?-Sexual abuse, torm family, parents that werent' there for you enough, a divorce, ect? Have you been in a war situation, or a bad accident?

I knew of a woman that started having severe anxiety attacks, and depression. The doctor didn't understand why, after lots of therapy. Then she mentioned that earlier that year she almost drowned when she was trapped in her car. That was the cause.And it helped pinpoint what med to use.

A good therapist/psych can be all the difference. I really hope you find the answers you need, and lots of support. You certainly have lots of support here. Again, please personal message me anytime!
 

anonymous

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Thanks for trying to help me, Scarlett. I have always struggled with anxiety since being abused by a family member physically as a child, but I was always able to handle it with therapy. I had a serious tragedy awhile ago, and that led to severe depression and suicidal thoughts that I haven't been able to shake. It is more than needing to 'love myself' or 'think positively', it is something chemical that I've struggled with.
 

Scarlett81

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Sorry to hear about what you went through. That plays a huge part. That happening to you as a child made you form coping skills and a way of thinking that isn't helping you today as an adult. It's probably a chemical problem now b/c of your thought patterns over all these years.
When I started therapy my therapist explained to me that b/c of my past abuse, in order to survive I had to create these coping skills-like numbness, denial, extreme highs and lows-and now as an adult those skills are destructice. He said I'd have to learn all new coping skills all over again. Basically go back to basics on how to literally deal with life.

And yeah, people mean well, but they don't understand that this isn't something you can just say-oh I'm not going to think about this anymore, I'm going to be happy today. When its real serious depression, its so chemical-you can actually feel the chemical change happening sometimes.

But, even though its chemical, thinking positively will help. I went through months and months where I wanted to hurt myself so bad. I wanted to do something to myself so badly, so I wouldn't hurt inside anymore. I only tell you that so you know, I was very bad also. Not just a 'phase'. But positive thinking is what helped get me out. I don't mean positive thinking like-la dee da, everythings sunshiny and rosy. I mean, when I wanted to hurt myself or was having a bad day, I'd call a friend and say-I need you right now, its bad today. And they'd sit and talk to me. I'd read positive things about trying to change my life, I'd pray for help, I'd keep my self busy and my mind preoccupied.

Just remember-just b/c its chemical, doesn't mean you get to sit back and let the medication or the therapist do all the work. I know, I've been there.<img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0">
 

Asexyblond23

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>amy</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Asexyblond23</b></i>



I have been on a whole group of them. First I tried Zoloft and Xanax and that worked great for 8 months so I took myslef off. After 2 years I needed something again. So I tried zoloft again and xanax but the zoloft gave me tremers and my hands would not stop shaking. So i tried lexapro. It worked good for about 6 months but I felt that it didnt control all the aneixty, i need a tad bit more so they uped it to 7.5mg and that just gave me really bad headaches and I couldn't seelp more then 3 hours a night. So I tried buspar and paxil. The paxil gave me a terrible headache and I couldnt sleep so adfter 4 days I stoped taking it. I was on 5 mgof the buspar for another 2 weeks of that and xanax and thats when I decided that I wanted to try and do this without all the drugs b/c for the past 4 months all i felt was up and down and in and out, and headaches and dizzy and I didnt even feel like a person. So I am now taking only xanax but I am taking the xanax xr. It is a controlled relase so it stays a constant in your body and you dont have the ups and downs of taking it 3 times a day. I really really like the xr. I dont feel the good feeling and then the aneixty feeling everyday. It's alot better!</end quote></div>



I would be careful about taking a benzodiazapime for a long period of time. They are addictive.



Plus they mask the problem because they are muscle relaxants. An SSRI can actually help your brain "receive" the seratonin that your brain is producing. If you have increased seratonin, your'e less likely to have depression and panic attacks.



There's a common misperception about SSRI's like Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft, Effexor and Lexapro is that they actually alter your moods. But the reality is, they are allowing the existing receptors in your brain to receive the seratonin that your body produces naturally.



Think of it like two magnets that for whatever reason aren't attracted to each other anymore. SSRI helps the magnets come together again. It doesn't create the magnets. Or make more magnets. Just allows them to return to normal.</end quote></div>



Over the years I have seen myself need and feel addicited to the xanax like watching the clock untill i can take my next dose, and then just taking them and if i miss a dose then I miss a dose. Ever SSRI that I have been on latley is making me worse and my Phys is thinking that they have a reverse affect on me and do more harm then good for me. By taking the xanax XR it is better then regualr xanax for you in the fact that it is released into your body at a constant stream and you do not have the 4 hour up and downs that you do with regular xanax. I orignally didnt want to be on xanax b/c it is addicting but you can tell when you need it and when you dont. And when I feel like I watch the clock thats when I would go to my doc and tell her that my anexity is really high right now and what can we do about it. You can actually take xanax and others in that group forever if you like but its how your body reacts to it is what depends on if you are becoimming addicited to it.
 

Ender

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>amy</b></i>

I would be careful about taking a benzodiazapime for a long period of time. They are addictive.



Plus they mask the problem because they are muscle relaxants. An SSRI can actually help your brain "receive" the seratonin that your brain is producing. If you have increased seratonin, your'e less likely to have depression and panic attacks.


There's a common misperception about SSRI's like Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft, Effexor and Lexapro is that they actually alter your moods. But the reality is, they are allowing the existing receptors in your brain to receive the seratonin that your body produces naturally.


Think of it like two magnets that for whatever reason aren't attracted to each other anymore. SSRI helps the magnets come together again. It doesn't create the magnets. Or make more magnets. Just allows them to return to normal.</end quote></div>

I think depression is a really tricky subject. Here's my two cents.

I think it's a definate gradual occurance (at least real depression, not situational). You might be anxious for a while, or become quite stressed, and if this happens for a prolonged period of time, depression can become reality. Sometimes you can get out of it on your own, but if it's a repeat occurance, chances are you might need some help.

They know that long periods of anxiety, depression, actually changes the structure of the brain, so that the neurons create associated with these feelings actually strengthen, so your brain in more programmed for that specific feeling. So the more upset or depressed you feel, the more your brain relates and adapts to that feeling, and it becomes a vicious cycle. That's why it can feel so hopeless.

SSRI's as Amy said, are there to boost seratonin in the brain. Seratonin is associated with mood, and lower levels have been associated with depression. So, if you can increase your sense of well being for a while, your brain will have time to reprogram itself to the state that it used to be.

However, I think anti anxiety medicines work just as well. Although they mght mask the symptoms (lower seratonin or dopamine) they are also addressing the thing that cause the lower seratonin in the first place (anxiety, stress). So, if you treat the anxiety for a while, you'll feel better, and hopefully go back to your original state of well being before the meds. You'll feel more content overall, and your brain will restructure to that feeling.

I prefer anti anxiety meds. I tried zoloft for about a month cause i was feeling down, thinking too much stuff, and just wanted to be a robot for a while hehe. I found the side affects to be really annoying and kinda disturbing (teeth grinding, night sweats, no sleep) and that was on the lower dose.

I don't think I'm depressed. I just think that i am a little high strung and overworried sometimes. For me, antianxiety meds are what I like. It's just my preference though. You might think it is masking the depression (low seratonin) but that's how the low seratonin came into existence in the first place.
 
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