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Magnesium spasms

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Alyssa

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I think you can also soak your feet in epson salt and warm water -- feels nice and also absorbs the magnesium through your skin.

I don't know for sure if it is CF related or not -- I think there are people who say it is.
 
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65rosessamurai

Guest
My wife was able to get Quinine via the internet...it's a supplement, not a prescription substance. It's also found in some beverages used for mixing cocktails!

Alyssa, the word is Epsum Salt...Epson is the name of a copier manufacturer! hehe!
I've never had time to soak my feet, I sometimes just take a warm bath, besides it's always my knees that hurt, and the foot bath just won't reach that far!!
 
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65rosessamurai

Guest
My wife was able to get Quinine via the internet...it's a supplement, not a prescription substance. It's also found in some beverages used for mixing cocktails!

Alyssa, the word is Epsum Salt...Epson is the name of a copier manufacturer! hehe!
I've never had time to soak my feet, I sometimes just take a warm bath, besides it's always my knees that hurt, and the foot bath just won't reach that far!!
 
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65rosessamurai

Guest
My wife was able to get Quinine via the internet...it's a supplement, not a prescription substance. It's also found in some beverages used for mixing cocktails!

Alyssa, the word is Epsum Salt...Epson is the name of a copier manufacturer! hehe!
I've never had time to soak my feet, I sometimes just take a warm bath, besides it's always my knees that hurt, and the foot bath just won't reach that far!!
 
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laurabay17

New member
Wow I used to get really really wicked spasms in my calves and didn't relate it to having cf, I assumed I was wearing poor footwear..well, I was, and since stopping it has decreased but they still occur once in a while. Basically drink lots of fluids, as sometimes dehyration is a cause as well, which some of us cfers have issues with anyway. Also, have you ever tried massage therapy? Excellent for spasms, muscular pain, and it even loosens everything up in the lungs if you get the muscles of the back/thorax etc. worked on.
PS If you use Epsom Salts, drink LOTS of water before AND after as it has a dehyrating effect as well as removes toxins/waste products from the muscles.
-Laura Beck, RMT, age 27 w CF
 
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laurabay17

New member
Wow I used to get really really wicked spasms in my calves and didn't relate it to having cf, I assumed I was wearing poor footwear..well, I was, and since stopping it has decreased but they still occur once in a while. Basically drink lots of fluids, as sometimes dehyration is a cause as well, which some of us cfers have issues with anyway. Also, have you ever tried massage therapy? Excellent for spasms, muscular pain, and it even loosens everything up in the lungs if you get the muscles of the back/thorax etc. worked on.
PS If you use Epsom Salts, drink LOTS of water before AND after as it has a dehyrating effect as well as removes toxins/waste products from the muscles.
-Laura Beck, RMT, age 27 w CF
 
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laurabay17

New member
Wow I used to get really really wicked spasms in my calves and didn't relate it to having cf, I assumed I was wearing poor footwear..well, I was, and since stopping it has decreased but they still occur once in a while. Basically drink lots of fluids, as sometimes dehyration is a cause as well, which some of us cfers have issues with anyway. Also, have you ever tried massage therapy? Excellent for spasms, muscular pain, and it even loosens everything up in the lungs if you get the muscles of the back/thorax etc. worked on.
PS If you use Epsom Salts, drink LOTS of water before AND after as it has a dehyrating effect as well as removes toxins/waste products from the muscles.
-Laura Beck, RMT, age 27 w CF
 
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IG

Guest
Just thought I should say.
If you're having muscular cramps and lab results have come back saying that your magnesium levels are low, then you're having cramps due to that. If they got your mag. levels then they probably checked everything else as well and would mention if something else might be causing it. Too much or too little calcium, magnesium, potassium, or sodium in the body can lead to muscle weakness or cramping, though if they mentioned magnesium there's no real reason to think differently.

FYI Quinine was basically used as an anti-malarial drug, but is used to treat leg cramps.. it's a muscle relaxant as well.
So basically you're treating the muscles but not solving the problem if you just use it without actually taking magnesium.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15902691&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...l=pubmed_docsum
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15808032&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...l=pubmed_docsum
</a>

Though quite honestly the side effects sound dang scary and I personally wouldn't risk taking it.
Quinine can cause haemolysis in G6PD deficiency, it can also cause drug-induced immune thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP). Quinine can cause abnormal heart rhythms and should be avoided if possible in patients with atrial fibrillation, conduction defects or heart block. It must not be used in patients with haemoglobinuria, myasthenia gravis or optic neuritis, because it worsens these conditions. In very large doses, quinine also acts as an abortifacient; in the U.S., quinine is classed as a Category X teratogen by the Food and Drug Administration, meaning that it can cause birth defects (especially deafness) if taken by a woman during pregnancy.

Along the lines of what Fred was saying it is used in drinks: In the United States, the Food and Drug Administration limits tonic water quinine to 83 ppm, which is one-half to one-quarter the concentration used in therapeutic tonic.

Also heard of gin and tonic? The quinine tonic tasted so bad to brits over in india that they mixed gin with it to make it taste better.
 
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IG

Guest
Just thought I should say.
If you're having muscular cramps and lab results have come back saying that your magnesium levels are low, then you're having cramps due to that. If they got your mag. levels then they probably checked everything else as well and would mention if something else might be causing it. Too much or too little calcium, magnesium, potassium, or sodium in the body can lead to muscle weakness or cramping, though if they mentioned magnesium there's no real reason to think differently.

FYI Quinine was basically used as an anti-malarial drug, but is used to treat leg cramps.. it's a muscle relaxant as well.
So basically you're treating the muscles but not solving the problem if you just use it without actually taking magnesium.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15902691&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...l=pubmed_docsum
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15808032&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...l=pubmed_docsum
</a>

Though quite honestly the side effects sound dang scary and I personally wouldn't risk taking it.
Quinine can cause haemolysis in G6PD deficiency, it can also cause drug-induced immune thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP). Quinine can cause abnormal heart rhythms and should be avoided if possible in patients with atrial fibrillation, conduction defects or heart block. It must not be used in patients with haemoglobinuria, myasthenia gravis or optic neuritis, because it worsens these conditions. In very large doses, quinine also acts as an abortifacient; in the U.S., quinine is classed as a Category X teratogen by the Food and Drug Administration, meaning that it can cause birth defects (especially deafness) if taken by a woman during pregnancy.

Along the lines of what Fred was saying it is used in drinks: In the United States, the Food and Drug Administration limits tonic water quinine to 83 ppm, which is one-half to one-quarter the concentration used in therapeutic tonic.

Also heard of gin and tonic? The quinine tonic tasted so bad to brits over in india that they mixed gin with it to make it taste better.
 
I

IG

Guest
Just thought I should say.
If you're having muscular cramps and lab results have come back saying that your magnesium levels are low, then you're having cramps due to that. If they got your mag. levels then they probably checked everything else as well and would mention if something else might be causing it. Too much or too little calcium, magnesium, potassium, or sodium in the body can lead to muscle weakness or cramping, though if they mentioned magnesium there's no real reason to think differently.

FYI Quinine was basically used as an anti-malarial drug, but is used to treat leg cramps.. it's a muscle relaxant as well.
So basically you're treating the muscles but not solving the problem if you just use it without actually taking magnesium.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15902691&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...l=pubmed_docsum
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15808032&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...l=pubmed_docsum
</a>

Though quite honestly the side effects sound dang scary and I personally wouldn't risk taking it.
Quinine can cause haemolysis in G6PD deficiency, it can also cause drug-induced immune thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP). Quinine can cause abnormal heart rhythms and should be avoided if possible in patients with atrial fibrillation, conduction defects or heart block. It must not be used in patients with haemoglobinuria, myasthenia gravis or optic neuritis, because it worsens these conditions. In very large doses, quinine also acts as an abortifacient; in the U.S., quinine is classed as a Category X teratogen by the Food and Drug Administration, meaning that it can cause birth defects (especially deafness) if taken by a woman during pregnancy.

Along the lines of what Fred was saying it is used in drinks: In the United States, the Food and Drug Administration limits tonic water quinine to 83 ppm, which is one-half to one-quarter the concentration used in therapeutic tonic.

Also heard of gin and tonic? The quinine tonic tasted so bad to brits over in india that they mixed gin with it to make it taste better.
 
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