They have Poker Runs around here on bikes for March of Dimes and a lot of personal benefits. We were actually thinking of doing one for CF with boats on the Mississippi River. The local casino/hotel told us they would donate the purse for the winner. It will take us some time to set up, but anyway Lilith I think that is kind of like what you are talking about for the group rides. They seem to have a lot of fun doing them. As far as bikes go...I'll stick to the water!