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ok some research on oregano oil...

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Faust

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Remember, nearly every resource for research regaring oregano oil can be found @ http://www.ingentaconnect.com/
And http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed

and: http://www.p-73.com/cdresearch.htm


The first two links, all you have to do is type in what you are searching for, and then look through all the hits for anything in particular research wise. Both of those databases compile TONS of research information from real sources. The third is the company page for North American Herb and Spice research page in PDF format.


Between the three, theres nearly anything you could want to know about oregano oil and many other essential oils. Aside from that, if there is something else you would like to know in particular, www.google.com is your friend and is an excellent search engine. It just takes a little elbow grease and slight time to find nearly anything.
 
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Faust

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Remember, nearly every resource for research regaring oregano oil can be found @ http://www.ingentaconnect.com/
And http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed

and: http://www.p-73.com/cdresearch.htm


The first two links, all you have to do is type in what you are searching for, and then look through all the hits for anything in particular research wise. Both of those databases compile TONS of research information from real sources. The third is the company page for North American Herb and Spice research page in PDF format.


Between the three, theres nearly anything you could want to know about oregano oil and many other essential oils. Aside from that, if there is something else you would like to know in particular, www.google.com is your friend and is an excellent search engine. It just takes a little elbow grease and slight time to find nearly anything.
 
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anonymous

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ender</b></i><br>Yup, they did...i just didn't feel like saying that haha, i figured it was irrelevant. The important thing i was trying to get across was the dosage...

i think a lot of us were confused at what a safe does we could handle, and what could be effective. Pseudo or not...they know that at a certain concentration, it could still be effective.

Obviously you read it. Perhaps next time you would be kind enough to share what you know, rather than being critical of other people.<hr></blockquote>

*sigh*

Ender, try not to take it personally. But it's not good to toss around half-truths when it comes to this kind of thing. The Candida study had nothing to do with "what safe doses we could handle." It only set out to determine that oregano has antifungal properties in mice. This distinction is important. It also clearly showed that you CAN take too much, as the higher doses killed the mice. What happened to the other mice after thirty days, I imagine, is that they were flushed down the toilet, so it didn't address anything but short term effects. And it didn't say anything about the bugs we're most concerned about getting rid of.

Yes, it's definitely interesting and promising. And yes, it can do you harm at large doses and possibly at smaller doses over a long period. Everybody has to make his own call, as SD has said.

Here's a link to the entire paper:

<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:VbASbNLrn0AJ:www.p-73.com/pdf/AntifungalCandida.pdf+%228.66+mg/kg%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&ie=UTF-8">http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:VbASbNLrn0AJ:www.p-73.com/pdf/AntifungalCandida.pdf+%228.66+mg/kg%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&ie=UTF-8</a>
 
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anonymous

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ender</b></i><br>Yup, they did...i just didn't feel like saying that haha, i figured it was irrelevant. The important thing i was trying to get across was the dosage...

i think a lot of us were confused at what a safe does we could handle, and what could be effective. Pseudo or not...they know that at a certain concentration, it could still be effective.

Obviously you read it. Perhaps next time you would be kind enough to share what you know, rather than being critical of other people.<hr></blockquote>

*sigh*

Ender, try not to take it personally. But it's not good to toss around half-truths when it comes to this kind of thing. The Candida study had nothing to do with "what safe doses we could handle." It only set out to determine that oregano has antifungal properties in mice. This distinction is important. It also clearly showed that you CAN take too much, as the higher doses killed the mice. What happened to the other mice after thirty days, I imagine, is that they were flushed down the toilet, so it didn't address anything but short term effects. And it didn't say anything about the bugs we're most concerned about getting rid of.

Yes, it's definitely interesting and promising. And yes, it can do you harm at large doses and possibly at smaller doses over a long period. Everybody has to make his own call, as SD has said.

Here's a link to the entire paper:

<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:VbASbNLrn0AJ:www.p-73.com/pdf/AntifungalCandida.pdf+%228.66+mg/kg%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&ie=UTF-8">http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:VbASbNLrn0AJ:www.p-73.com/pdf/AntifungalCandida.pdf+%228.66+mg/kg%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&ie=UTF-8</a>
 
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Ender

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Ok ok ok...

If you read the study, than you would have read that they dissected the mice after the study and looked for abnormalities. They concluded that after 30 days, they could find no problems with their organs.

"A single bolus dose of 650 mg/kg body weight caused uniform mor-tality. However, daily administration of smaller doses of ori-ganum oil mixed with olive oil was well tolerated, showingno apparent clinical abnormalities (Table 3)"


So ya, it part this was a study about dosage, and it's effect on mice. I know that it wasn't for pseudo...or staph...however, it did note that at a concentration of 8.66mg/kg, it still had significant antifungal (and i would assume) antimicrobial properties.

I dunno, i don't have all the answers. I should have stated that it was a yeast, instead of the bacteria...but regardless, it was not necassarily the primary focus of what i was trying to get across.

I think a lot of people were confused about a dosage that would be effective...well this dosage was. yeast, bacteria, whatever...it worked...and that's all i wanted to say

i'm just working with what I have.

Kiel
 
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Ender

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Ok ok ok...

If you read the study, than you would have read that they dissected the mice after the study and looked for abnormalities. They concluded that after 30 days, they could find no problems with their organs.

"A single bolus dose of 650 mg/kg body weight caused uniform mor-tality. However, daily administration of smaller doses of ori-ganum oil mixed with olive oil was well tolerated, showingno apparent clinical abnormalities (Table 3)"


So ya, it part this was a study about dosage, and it's effect on mice. I know that it wasn't for pseudo...or staph...however, it did note that at a concentration of 8.66mg/kg, it still had significant antifungal (and i would assume) antimicrobial properties.

I dunno, i don't have all the answers. I should have stated that it was a yeast, instead of the bacteria...but regardless, it was not necassarily the primary focus of what i was trying to get across.

I think a lot of people were confused about a dosage that would be effective...well this dosage was. yeast, bacteria, whatever...it worked...and that's all i wanted to say

i'm just working with what I have.

Kiel
 
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anonymous

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Ender, my toilet point was about short- versus long-term effects. And yes, the study investigated various doses, since killing the entire mouse wouldn't tell you much useful about killing the yeast. As a result, we know there are toxicity concerns, we know that non-toxic levels kill yeast without killing mice, at least immediately, and we can speculate that this also could be the case in us. I don't think we should try to calculate out own dosing based on this, since we're not mice and it's not Candida we're trying to kill. But there are human studies -- also short-term, however -- that might give you a safer way to calculate your amounts. As for dosing to get a PA benefit, you'll have to rely on anecdote, and that's each person's individual call. My biggest concern was the last statement in your first post, which seems to be cleared up now. Wouldn't want to see any dead mice around here.
 
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anonymous

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Ender, my toilet point was about short- versus long-term effects. And yes, the study investigated various doses, since killing the entire mouse wouldn't tell you much useful about killing the yeast. As a result, we know there are toxicity concerns, we know that non-toxic levels kill yeast without killing mice, at least immediately, and we can speculate that this also could be the case in us. I don't think we should try to calculate out own dosing based on this, since we're not mice and it's not Candida we're trying to kill. But there are human studies -- also short-term, however -- that might give you a safer way to calculate your amounts. As for dosing to get a PA benefit, you'll have to rely on anecdote, and that's each person's individual call. My biggest concern was the last statement in your first post, which seems to be cleared up now. Wouldn't want to see any dead mice around here.
 
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anonymous

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It's all good...

the dose that i suggested, I think that was the lowest dose that still had some effect.

Ok so i think it was a dose of 650 mg and above that was lethal. A dose at 350 seemed to be ok. The reason i said don't worry about taking to much, was cause to get a dose of 650mg/kg, it would take...lets see, almost 35 grams for a 120 pound individual. How many drops of the extra strength oil would that be? 1600 drops. A vial has 480 doses of 2 drops a dose. that's like a bottle and a half.

i would hope no one would go to that extreme...when i said don't worry about taking too much, i was thinking more like 20 drops is ok....But ya...don't drink a bottle and a half...please...<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Kiel
 
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anonymous

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It's all good...

the dose that i suggested, I think that was the lowest dose that still had some effect.

Ok so i think it was a dose of 650 mg and above that was lethal. A dose at 350 seemed to be ok. The reason i said don't worry about taking to much, was cause to get a dose of 650mg/kg, it would take...lets see, almost 35 grams for a 120 pound individual. How many drops of the extra strength oil would that be? 1600 drops. A vial has 480 doses of 2 drops a dose. that's like a bottle and a half.

i would hope no one would go to that extreme...when i said don't worry about taking too much, i was thinking more like 20 drops is ok....But ya...don't drink a bottle and a half...please...<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Kiel
 
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JennifersHope

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I have a question..Why would you take oregano oil for PA if it is just for yeast? PA is a bacteria.

I personally will not take any herbal supplements because working in an emergency room, I have seen more then one person die because they were taking herbal supplements and didn't realize the effects it had on the body. One person died because it interacted with a cardiac med they were on, the other one died because his wife was really into herbs and she accidentally gave him to high of a dose and the herb had a "water pill" effect and the guy peed all his potassium out and had a massive heart attack..

If you guys are taking herbs, please run it by your doctor......

Jennifer
 
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JennifersHope

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I have a question..Why would you take oregano oil for PA if it is just for yeast? PA is a bacteria.

I personally will not take any herbal supplements because working in an emergency room, I have seen more then one person die because they were taking herbal supplements and didn't realize the effects it had on the body. One person died because it interacted with a cardiac med they were on, the other one died because his wife was really into herbs and she accidentally gave him to high of a dose and the herb had a "water pill" effect and the guy peed all his potassium out and had a massive heart attack..

If you guys are taking herbs, please run it by your doctor......

Jennifer
 
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Faust

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>JennifersHope</b></i><br>I have a question..Why would you take oregano oil for PA if it is just for yeast? PA is a bacteria.



I personally will not take any herbal supplements because working in an emergency room, I have seen more then one person die because they were taking herbal supplements and didn't realize the effects it had on the body. One person died because it interacted with a cardiac med they were on, the other one died because his wife was really into herbs and she accidentally gave him to high of a dose and the herb had a "water pill" effect and the guy peed all his potassium out and had a massive heart attack..



If you guys are taking herbs, please run it by your doctor......



Jennifer<hr></blockquote>


Jennifer, the oil has been shown in many research to have a wide spectrum of inhibition towards many different forms of microbes, not just yeast. From the research, it shows it is very strong against Pseudomonas Aeruginosa, which as i'm sure you know if our main problem infection wise. I don't know how after all this time and me typing the equivalent of War and Peace with regards to the oils useage and the research involved with the oil, you or anyone else could say "Why would you take oregano oil for PA if it is just for yeast? PA is a bacteria.
". That particular study was geared towards yeast, that doesn't mean oregano oil only impacts yeast. If you have a study to test the efficacy of lysol on E. Coli, that doesn't mean that Lysol only inhibits E. Coli. Sorry, not to sound pissy, but after the amount of effort I have put into spreading the word with information from many sources, I don't know how anyone who even read 1% of anything I said in a cursory nature, could come along thinking oil of oregano is just for yeast.
 
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Faust

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>JennifersHope</b></i><br>I have a question..Why would you take oregano oil for PA if it is just for yeast? PA is a bacteria.



I personally will not take any herbal supplements because working in an emergency room, I have seen more then one person die because they were taking herbal supplements and didn't realize the effects it had on the body. One person died because it interacted with a cardiac med they were on, the other one died because his wife was really into herbs and she accidentally gave him to high of a dose and the herb had a "water pill" effect and the guy peed all his potassium out and had a massive heart attack..



If you guys are taking herbs, please run it by your doctor......



Jennifer<hr></blockquote>


Jennifer, the oil has been shown in many research to have a wide spectrum of inhibition towards many different forms of microbes, not just yeast. From the research, it shows it is very strong against Pseudomonas Aeruginosa, which as i'm sure you know if our main problem infection wise. I don't know how after all this time and me typing the equivalent of War and Peace with regards to the oils useage and the research involved with the oil, you or anyone else could say "Why would you take oregano oil for PA if it is just for yeast? PA is a bacteria.
". That particular study was geared towards yeast, that doesn't mean oregano oil only impacts yeast. If you have a study to test the efficacy of lysol on E. Coli, that doesn't mean that Lysol only inhibits E. Coli. Sorry, not to sound pissy, but after the amount of effort I have put into spreading the word with information from many sources, I don't know how anyone who even read 1% of anything I said in a cursory nature, could come along thinking oil of oregano is just for yeast.
 
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Faust

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Also, with regards to the oils potential interaction with other drugs (like what jennifer stated with deaths of cardiac patients, etc), I have said since day #1 to discuss anything new treatment wise with your doctor, and then to do your own research, especially regarding potential drug interactions. There are many natural substances out there that can do serious damage to people, in a wide ranging sense, especially if you are on medications for serious health problems, that could have immediate impact on your state of being alive. As an adult, it is YOUR responsibility to investigate any and all alternative treatments to health conditions. I would never advocate something as dangerous as say snorting lines of asbestos, or chewing on uranium, but I would advocate something that is labeled GRAS (generally recognized as safe) by the FDA, I have done tons of research on it with regards to it's health benefits towards a fairly healthy adult CF patient, and I have demonstrated the results I have.


Again, it is YOUR responsibility to look into anything you choose to treat yourself with.
 
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Faust

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Also, with regards to the oils potential interaction with other drugs (like what jennifer stated with deaths of cardiac patients, etc), I have said since day #1 to discuss anything new treatment wise with your doctor, and then to do your own research, especially regarding potential drug interactions. There are many natural substances out there that can do serious damage to people, in a wide ranging sense, especially if you are on medications for serious health problems, that could have immediate impact on your state of being alive. As an adult, it is YOUR responsibility to investigate any and all alternative treatments to health conditions. I would never advocate something as dangerous as say snorting lines of asbestos, or chewing on uranium, but I would advocate something that is labeled GRAS (generally recognized as safe) by the FDA, I have done tons of research on it with regards to it's health benefits towards a fairly healthy adult CF patient, and I have demonstrated the results I have.


Again, it is YOUR responsibility to look into anything you choose to treat yourself with.
 
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Faust

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Anonymous</b></i><br>no comment....<hr></blockquote>


No, by all means comment. We are all adults here, and I certainly am not made of porcelain.
 
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Faust

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Anonymous</b></i><br>no comment....<hr></blockquote>


No, by all means comment. We are all adults here, and I certainly am not made of porcelain.
 
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