OT but need to vent and some advice

[fr3ak]

Christian,

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Interesting how freak has a pic of a dalmatian-not sure if you have had dealings with dog shows freak</end quote></div>

Yes I have had many dealings with dog shows, and I have vowed never to go to them again LOL....I have seen so many things I don't like at shows that I can't bring myself to be in that situation....


<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>but dalmatians have a large reputation of being violent. People try to avoid them. At the dog competitions I've dealt with-its them and the standard poodles everyone gets wary of. Funny, I have no idea why they have that rap. So it goes to show you that any dog of any breed can be nasty at some time</end quote></div>

Irresponsibly bred Dalmatians are frequently hyperactive. Even frequent exercise may not settle them. Since the Dalmatian essentially came from working temperament, they should be confident, alert the family to strangers, and, if need be, protect their family. To ensure that the dog does not become aggressive, it is necessary to provide ample opportunity for socialization. The dog must meet a variety of people and other dogs as a puppy so it can learn to distinguish friend from foe as an adult. Puppies that are not given ample socialization may become aggressive or fear-aggressive, that is they snap or bite because they are afraid of people.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.dalmatians.us/dal4you.htm">Dalmatian</a>

<img src="http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/fr3ak_on_a_leash/9aa31.jpg">

 

[julie]

Kelli, just keep in mind this small dog came running towards my dog, not away from them. He was instigating play/chase/ whatever you want to call it.

No offense to small dog owners, but a majority of them that I've met seem to think they have no fault in any dog related incidences because, "their dog is the SMALL one". WHO the F cares if the dog is big or small, it's still a dog and has actions and behaviors.

I'm not saing I'm not responsible for taking my dogs for a walk before I could physically handle it, and I'm not saying I'm not taking responsibility for letting go of the leash-I am!. However, she needs to take responsibility for NOT having her dogs leash in her possession AND for having him leave the yard AND for charging at my dogs REGARDLESS of his size.

I can only imagine how I would react now (knowing how this idiot acted/reacted) if the shoe was on the other foot and my C section scar ripped open and I was back in the hospital and having it sewn back up. Ordinairly, I would not sue someone for something like that. S**t happens. But, knowing how she OVER-reacted to this situation, I would sue the living daylights out of her if I had choosen to hang on the leash while her dog instigated a chase with my dogs. She's just lucky that didn't happen.

2perfectboys, you are wrong, it is a CIVIL MATTER not a criminal matter. Other than the ticket, whether it stands or is dropped, I have NO financial liability to the court for fines, the hearing, paperwork or anything else. Ttrust me on that one. I have to wonder where you get your information from???? "it's probably too late to pay the ticket cause i'm sure it double after like 7 or 14 days right? NOOOOO. Wrong. I requested a contested hearing on the back of the ticket and will be going to court on May 18 (I think that's the date) to fight it. I've already made up my mind about going to court. If I loose, I loose, but at least I'll present my case.

"automobile acciednts are called that because they are accidents, but u still get a ticket if you are at fault" This I agree with. So if we are playing that game, she is at fault too and in my opinion, is just as deserving of a ticket as I am (or not deserving, but if they find me "at fault" she played just as much into the situation as I did, it's 50/50 here)
And Yes, I will subponea the cop to the case, and my mother will be there as my witness.

I have to ditto the issue with dalmations, I've heard of many more dalmation attacks than I have rottweilers in the last few years. They are actually vicious and tempermental dogs. The problems with Rotties is they need constant supervision for their "babyhood" which our dogs got since Mark was in school and only gone about 1-2 hours a day and I worked part time, so at most, the dogs were alone for 1 hour 1-2 times a day.

I'm afraid of yappy annoing barking hyperactive little dogs, I'm afraid because I want to strangle them (at least now I do). Does that mean I call the cops each time someone decides to let their dog take a crap on MY property?? NO, I mean, my GRASS could have gotten hurt for petes sake. Or do I call the cops when a small neighborhood dog is on my porch and getting my dogs all riled up inside the house? NO, I'm sorry but the cops have way more important things to deal with.

Could someone have gotten hurt? Sure. I could get killed walking across the street today, I could get rear ended on my way to work tomorrow. THere are all sorts of "what if's and would have, should have, could haves". but the issue here isn't that my dogs "could have" attacked. They didn't and I can tell you that they WON'T. THe issue is the charge of "animals at large" and the charge not being reciprocated to her, since her dog was displaying the same behaviors mine did. THe only thing mine are guilty of that is different from her dog is that they are rotties (one purebread, one mix) and BIG. Tell me please when that became a crime.

 

[julie]

Kelli, just keep in mind this small dog came running towards my dog, not away from them. He was instigating play/chase/ whatever you want to call it.

No offense to small dog owners, but a majority of them that I've met seem to think they have no fault in any dog related incidences because, "their dog is the SMALL one". WHO the F cares if the dog is big or small, it's still a dog and has actions and behaviors.

I'm not saing I'm not responsible for taking my dogs for a walk before I could physically handle it, and I'm not saying I'm not taking responsibility for letting go of the leash-I am!. However, she needs to take responsibility for NOT having her dogs leash in her possession AND for having him leave the yard AND for charging at my dogs REGARDLESS of his size.

I can only imagine how I would react now (knowing how this idiot acted/reacted) if the shoe was on the other foot and my C section scar ripped open and I was back in the hospital and having it sewn back up. Ordinairly, I would not sue someone for something like that. S**t happens. But, knowing how she OVER-reacted to this situation, I would sue the living daylights out of her if I had choosen to hang on the leash while her dog instigated a chase with my dogs. She's just lucky that didn't happen.

2perfectboys, you are wrong, it is a CIVIL MATTER not a criminal matter. Other than the ticket, whether it stands or is dropped, I have NO financial liability to the court for fines, the hearing, paperwork or anything else. Ttrust me on that one. I have to wonder where you get your information from???? "it's probably too late to pay the ticket cause i'm sure it double after like 7 or 14 days right? NOOOOO. Wrong. I requested a contested hearing on the back of the ticket and will be going to court on May 18 (I think that's the date) to fight it. I've already made up my mind about going to court. If I loose, I loose, but at least I'll present my case.

"automobile acciednts are called that because they are accidents, but u still get a ticket if you are at fault" This I agree with. So if we are playing that game, she is at fault too and in my opinion, is just as deserving of a ticket as I am (or not deserving, but if they find me "at fault" she played just as much into the situation as I did, it's 50/50 here)
And Yes, I will subponea the cop to the case, and my mother will be there as my witness.

I have to ditto the issue with dalmations, I've heard of many more dalmation attacks than I have rottweilers in the last few years. They are actually vicious and tempermental dogs. The problems with Rotties is they need constant supervision for their "babyhood" which our dogs got since Mark was in school and only gone about 1-2 hours a day and I worked part time, so at most, the dogs were alone for 1 hour 1-2 times a day.

I'm afraid of yappy annoing barking hyperactive little dogs, I'm afraid because I want to strangle them (at least now I do). Does that mean I call the cops each time someone decides to let their dog take a crap on MY property?? NO, I mean, my GRASS could have gotten hurt for petes sake. Or do I call the cops when a small neighborhood dog is on my porch and getting my dogs all riled up inside the house? NO, I'm sorry but the cops have way more important things to deal with.

Could someone have gotten hurt? Sure. I could get killed walking across the street today, I could get rear ended on my way to work tomorrow. THere are all sorts of "what if's and would have, should have, could haves". but the issue here isn't that my dogs "could have" attacked. They didn't and I can tell you that they WON'T. THe issue is the charge of "animals at large" and the charge not being reciprocated to her, since her dog was displaying the same behaviors mine did. THe only thing mine are guilty of that is different from her dog is that they are rotties (one purebread, one mix) and BIG. Tell me please when that became a crime.

 

[julie]

Kelli, just keep in mind this small dog came running towards my dog, not away from them. He was instigating play/chase/ whatever you want to call it.

No offense to small dog owners, but a majority of them that I've met seem to think they have no fault in any dog related incidences because, "their dog is the SMALL one". WHO the F cares if the dog is big or small, it's still a dog and has actions and behaviors.

I'm not saing I'm not responsible for taking my dogs for a walk before I could physically handle it, and I'm not saying I'm not taking responsibility for letting go of the leash-I am!. However, she needs to take responsibility for NOT having her dogs leash in her possession AND for having him leave the yard AND for charging at my dogs REGARDLESS of his size.

I can only imagine how I would react now (knowing how this idiot acted/reacted) if the shoe was on the other foot and my C section scar ripped open and I was back in the hospital and having it sewn back up. Ordinairly, I would not sue someone for something like that. S**t happens. But, knowing how she OVER-reacted to this situation, I would sue the living daylights out of her if I had choosen to hang on the leash while her dog instigated a chase with my dogs. She's just lucky that didn't happen.

2perfectboys, you are wrong, it is a CIVIL MATTER not a criminal matter. Other than the ticket, whether it stands or is dropped, I have NO financial liability to the court for fines, the hearing, paperwork or anything else. Ttrust me on that one. I have to wonder where you get your information from???? "it's probably too late to pay the ticket cause i'm sure it double after like 7 or 14 days right? NOOOOO. Wrong. I requested a contested hearing on the back of the ticket and will be going to court on May 18 (I think that's the date) to fight it. I've already made up my mind about going to court. If I loose, I loose, but at least I'll present my case.

"automobile acciednts are called that because they are accidents, but u still get a ticket if you are at fault" This I agree with. So if we are playing that game, she is at fault too and in my opinion, is just as deserving of a ticket as I am (or not deserving, but if they find me "at fault" she played just as much into the situation as I did, it's 50/50 here)
And Yes, I will subponea the cop to the case, and my mother will be there as my witness.

I have to ditto the issue with dalmations, I've heard of many more dalmation attacks than I have rottweilers in the last few years. They are actually vicious and tempermental dogs. The problems with Rotties is they need constant supervision for their "babyhood" which our dogs got since Mark was in school and only gone about 1-2 hours a day and I worked part time, so at most, the dogs were alone for 1 hour 1-2 times a day.

I'm afraid of yappy annoing barking hyperactive little dogs, I'm afraid because I want to strangle them (at least now I do). Does that mean I call the cops each time someone decides to let their dog take a crap on MY property?? NO, I mean, my GRASS could have gotten hurt for petes sake. Or do I call the cops when a small neighborhood dog is on my porch and getting my dogs all riled up inside the house? NO, I'm sorry but the cops have way more important things to deal with.

Could someone have gotten hurt? Sure. I could get killed walking across the street today, I could get rear ended on my way to work tomorrow. THere are all sorts of "what if's and would have, should have, could haves". but the issue here isn't that my dogs "could have" attacked. They didn't and I can tell you that they WON'T. THe issue is the charge of "animals at large" and the charge not being reciprocated to her, since her dog was displaying the same behaviors mine did. THe only thing mine are guilty of that is different from her dog is that they are rotties (one purebread, one mix) and BIG. Tell me please when that became a crime.

 

[fr3ak]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I have to ditto the issue with dalmations, I've heard of many more dalmation attacks than I have rottweilers in the last few years. They are actually vicious and tempermental dogs. The problems with Rotties is they need constant supervision for their "babyhood" which our dogs got since Mark was in school and only gone about 1-2 hours a day and I worked part time, so at most, the dogs were alone for 1 hour 1-2 times a day </end quote></div>

LMAO

dog attacks deaths and maimings, U.S & canada september 1982 to Novemeber 13, 2006

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf">dogbitelaw.com</a>

Interesting facts on this site on breed specific attakcs

with boxers coming in with 31 attakcs causing bodily harm (dogs X victims)

6 attacks on children 12 attacks on adults 2 attacks causing death and 12 maimings

The rottweiler an amazing 409 attacks causing bodily harm (dogs and victims) 231 attacks on children 109 attacks on adults, 58 causing death and 223 maimings

The savage Dalmatian has just 3 attacks causing bodily harm (dogs & victims) 3 on children, 0 on adults, 0 causing death, and only 3 maiming

total victims in the last 24 years!

boxer-63
rottie-1030
dalmatian-9




<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I'm afraid of yappy annoing barking hyperactive little dogs, I'm afraid because I want to strangle them (at least now I do). Does that mean I call the cops each time someone decides to let their dog take a crap on MY property?? NO, I mean, my GRASS could have gotten hurt for petes sake. Or do I call the cops when a small neighborhood dog is on my porch and getting my dogs all riled up inside the house? NO, I'm sorry but the cops have way more important things to deal with</end quote></div>

So have the courts

 

[fr3ak]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I have to ditto the issue with dalmations, I've heard of many more dalmation attacks than I have rottweilers in the last few years. They are actually vicious and tempermental dogs. The problems with Rotties is they need constant supervision for their "babyhood" which our dogs got since Mark was in school and only gone about 1-2 hours a day and I worked part time, so at most, the dogs were alone for 1 hour 1-2 times a day </end quote></div>

LMAO

dog attacks deaths and maimings, U.S & canada september 1982 to Novemeber 13, 2006

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf">dogbitelaw.com</a>

Interesting facts on this site on breed specific attakcs

with boxers coming in with 31 attakcs causing bodily harm (dogs X victims)

6 attacks on children 12 attacks on adults 2 attacks causing death and 12 maimings

The rottweiler an amazing 409 attacks causing bodily harm (dogs and victims) 231 attacks on children 109 attacks on adults, 58 causing death and 223 maimings

The savage Dalmatian has just 3 attacks causing bodily harm (dogs & victims) 3 on children, 0 on adults, 0 causing death, and only 3 maiming

total victims in the last 24 years!

boxer-63
rottie-1030
dalmatian-9




<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I'm afraid of yappy annoing barking hyperactive little dogs, I'm afraid because I want to strangle them (at least now I do). Does that mean I call the cops each time someone decides to let their dog take a crap on MY property?? NO, I mean, my GRASS could have gotten hurt for petes sake. Or do I call the cops when a small neighborhood dog is on my porch and getting my dogs all riled up inside the house? NO, I'm sorry but the cops have way more important things to deal with</end quote></div>

So have the courts

 

[fr3ak]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I have to ditto the issue with dalmations, I've heard of many more dalmation attacks than I have rottweilers in the last few years. They are actually vicious and tempermental dogs. The problems with Rotties is they need constant supervision for their "babyhood" which our dogs got since Mark was in school and only gone about 1-2 hours a day and I worked part time, so at most, the dogs were alone for 1 hour 1-2 times a day </end quote></div>

LMAO

dog attacks deaths and maimings, U.S & canada september 1982 to Novemeber 13, 2006

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf">dogbitelaw.com</a>

Interesting facts on this site on breed specific attakcs

with boxers coming in with 31 attakcs causing bodily harm (dogs X victims)

6 attacks on children 12 attacks on adults 2 attacks causing death and 12 maimings

The rottweiler an amazing 409 attacks causing bodily harm (dogs and victims) 231 attacks on children 109 attacks on adults, 58 causing death and 223 maimings

The savage Dalmatian has just 3 attacks causing bodily harm (dogs & victims) 3 on children, 0 on adults, 0 causing death, and only 3 maiming

total victims in the last 24 years!

boxer-63
rottie-1030
dalmatian-9




<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I'm afraid of yappy annoing barking hyperactive little dogs, I'm afraid because I want to strangle them (at least now I do). Does that mean I call the cops each time someone decides to let their dog take a crap on MY property?? NO, I mean, my GRASS could have gotten hurt for petes sake. Or do I call the cops when a small neighborhood dog is on my porch and getting my dogs all riled up inside the house? NO, I'm sorry but the cops have way more important things to deal with</end quote></div>

So have the courts

 

[Pete]

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/statistics/GAttack/mapusa.htm">USA Shark Attacks In Recorded History</a>

Lmao

Here's the stats on attacks by SHARKS!!!...EVER!!!!

1670-2006 Confirmed Unprovoked Shark Attacks

(re-read that...1670...lmao)

USA Total attacks = 943 and fatalities are 54

That's from the last 336 YEARS, and the stats on the rottie was from the last 24 years.

LMAO hang on, I'll find the stats on grizzly bears <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

 

[Pete]

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/statistics/GAttack/mapusa.htm">USA Shark Attacks In Recorded History</a>

Lmao

Here's the stats on attacks by SHARKS!!!...EVER!!!!

1670-2006 Confirmed Unprovoked Shark Attacks

(re-read that...1670...lmao)

USA Total attacks = 943 and fatalities are 54

That's from the last 336 YEARS, and the stats on the rottie was from the last 24 years.

LMAO hang on, I'll find the stats on grizzly bears <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

 

[Pete]

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/statistics/GAttack/mapusa.htm">USA Shark Attacks In Recorded History</a>

Lmao

Here's the stats on attacks by SHARKS!!!...EVER!!!!

1670-2006 Confirmed Unprovoked Shark Attacks

(re-read that...1670...lmao)

USA Total attacks = 943 and fatalities are 54

That's from the last 336 YEARS, and the stats on the rottie was from the last 24 years.

LMAO hang on, I'll find the stats on grizzly bears <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

 

[65rosessamurai]

I still back julie on this one.
Did anyone ever happen to read MY first comment???

The one part where it suggested to look at the local laws for dogs being maintained under control on their own property.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>My suggestion would be to research how the home-owner is supposed to maintain control of their dog. </end quote></div>
And, the part which suggested if julie didn't have her dogs, but the little yapper still approached her, perhaps causing to startle the babies?
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Big 'what if' would be: If you didn't have your dogs with you, but that little yapper came out after you, and scared the babies or something, that lady had NO control over the animal. </end quote></div>

For Julie--I would suggest rephrasing your decision to let go when appearing in court. Instead of the phrase 'I decided to let go', perhaps changing it to "due to the fear of self-injury, I couldn't hang on any longer" might give the suggestion that you would have held on, or something more to the sense that hanging on any longer was beyond your control after a point. Sure, the word 'beyond control' comes into play, but maybe with the added statement that the other dog was already out of it's owner's control, may give the impression you HAD control of your dogs until that 'yapper' approached you as previously described.

Since the 'CPS' was just a brain-fart, you can strike that comment from the first post of mine.

Also, in agreement to Julie, since I also see the situation as 50/50, to find where that woman could/should be equally peanalized for her neglect in the situation. Of course, there's also that part about the code that was not publicly available, sounds like a bit of unfairness in regards to beauracracy! (another statement mentioned in my first post!)

 

[65rosessamurai]

I still back julie on this one.
Did anyone ever happen to read MY first comment???

The one part where it suggested to look at the local laws for dogs being maintained under control on their own property.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>My suggestion would be to research how the home-owner is supposed to maintain control of their dog. </end quote></div>
And, the part which suggested if julie didn't have her dogs, but the little yapper still approached her, perhaps causing to startle the babies?
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Big 'what if' would be: If you didn't have your dogs with you, but that little yapper came out after you, and scared the babies or something, that lady had NO control over the animal. </end quote></div>

For Julie--I would suggest rephrasing your decision to let go when appearing in court. Instead of the phrase 'I decided to let go', perhaps changing it to "due to the fear of self-injury, I couldn't hang on any longer" might give the suggestion that you would have held on, or something more to the sense that hanging on any longer was beyond your control after a point. Sure, the word 'beyond control' comes into play, but maybe with the added statement that the other dog was already out of it's owner's control, may give the impression you HAD control of your dogs until that 'yapper' approached you as previously described.

Since the 'CPS' was just a brain-fart, you can strike that comment from the first post of mine.

Also, in agreement to Julie, since I also see the situation as 50/50, to find where that woman could/should be equally peanalized for her neglect in the situation. Of course, there's also that part about the code that was not publicly available, sounds like a bit of unfairness in regards to beauracracy! (another statement mentioned in my first post!)

 

[65rosessamurai]

I still back julie on this one.
Did anyone ever happen to read MY first comment???

The one part where it suggested to look at the local laws for dogs being maintained under control on their own property.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>My suggestion would be to research how the home-owner is supposed to maintain control of their dog. </end quote></div>
And, the part which suggested if julie didn't have her dogs, but the little yapper still approached her, perhaps causing to startle the babies?
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Big 'what if' would be: If you didn't have your dogs with you, but that little yapper came out after you, and scared the babies or something, that lady had NO control over the animal. </end quote></div>

For Julie--I would suggest rephrasing your decision to let go when appearing in court. Instead of the phrase 'I decided to let go', perhaps changing it to "due to the fear of self-injury, I couldn't hang on any longer" might give the suggestion that you would have held on, or something more to the sense that hanging on any longer was beyond your control after a point. Sure, the word 'beyond control' comes into play, but maybe with the added statement that the other dog was already out of it's owner's control, may give the impression you HAD control of your dogs until that 'yapper' approached you as previously described.

Since the 'CPS' was just a brain-fart, you can strike that comment from the first post of mine.

Also, in agreement to Julie, since I also see the situation as 50/50, to find where that woman could/should be equally peanalized for her neglect in the situation. Of course, there's also that part about the code that was not publicly available, sounds like a bit of unfairness in regards to beauracracy! (another statement mentioned in my first post!)

 

[Scarlett81]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Pete</b></i>

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/statistics/GAttack/mapusa.htm">USA Shark Attacks In Recorded History</a>



Lmao



Here's the stats on attacks by SHARKS!!!...EVER!!!!



1670-2006 Confirmed Unprovoked Shark Attacks



(re-read that...1670...lmao)



USA Total attacks = 943 and fatalities are 54



That's from the last 336 YEARS, and the stats on the rottie was from the last 24 years.



LMAO hang on, I'll find the stats on grizzly bears <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"></end quote></div>

Loved that Pete, loved it.

Freak,
It seems like you are now trying to take a cheap shot and rottweilers and boxers...hmm? Oh and dog shows too by the way. Just to clarify-I wasn't attacking dalmations as a breed, I was showing that ALL breeds can attack and pointing out that I don't understand why dalmatians had a bad rap when they seem like a sweet breed. I don't believe that any one breed is prone to attack more-I know some would guffaw at my statement, but it is the same theory that Casear Milan and other dog trainers feel as well. Dogs attack when their owners have conditioned them or b/c of their environment. Why do pitbulls have such a bad reputation?-B/c they have been predominantly an inner city dog, not cared for like a dog should be cared for, and are usually the pets of drug dealers. I do think there are traits that dogs can be born with, and like you said the Working group of dogs has been bred to be more bullheaded.

As far as dog shows go-of course not all things that go on there are perfect and there are wackos, but I'll tell you one thing pal, people that breed dogs with the purpose of showing and compete at dog shows are HUGE advocates for responsible pet ownership and helping sheltered pets. Westiminster alone this year raised tens of thousands of dollars for animal shelters. The akc's good ownership program is wonderful in educating people on obedience. And you have to pass a certain amount of behavioral tests to be able to compete. They have volunteer programs for injured veterans and hospitals. And just from a logical point of view-people that spend that much money on their pets and care for them so meticulously are just less prone to mistreat their animals.

So I'd politely ask you to refrain from bashing my job and with all due respect I feel that you have misconceptions of dog shows-they don't abuse their animals. Like I said, <i>of course </i>there are bad stories like there is in anything, but that was just rude.

 

[Scarlett81]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Pete</b></i>

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/statistics/GAttack/mapusa.htm">USA Shark Attacks In Recorded History</a>



Lmao



Here's the stats on attacks by SHARKS!!!...EVER!!!!



1670-2006 Confirmed Unprovoked Shark Attacks



(re-read that...1670...lmao)



USA Total attacks = 943 and fatalities are 54



That's from the last 336 YEARS, and the stats on the rottie was from the last 24 years.



LMAO hang on, I'll find the stats on grizzly bears <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"></end quote></div>

Loved that Pete, loved it.

Freak,
It seems like you are now trying to take a cheap shot and rottweilers and boxers...hmm? Oh and dog shows too by the way. Just to clarify-I wasn't attacking dalmations as a breed, I was showing that ALL breeds can attack and pointing out that I don't understand why dalmatians had a bad rap when they seem like a sweet breed. I don't believe that any one breed is prone to attack more-I know some would guffaw at my statement, but it is the same theory that Casear Milan and other dog trainers feel as well. Dogs attack when their owners have conditioned them or b/c of their environment. Why do pitbulls have such a bad reputation?-B/c they have been predominantly an inner city dog, not cared for like a dog should be cared for, and are usually the pets of drug dealers. I do think there are traits that dogs can be born with, and like you said the Working group of dogs has been bred to be more bullheaded.

As far as dog shows go-of course not all things that go on there are perfect and there are wackos, but I'll tell you one thing pal, people that breed dogs with the purpose of showing and compete at dog shows are HUGE advocates for responsible pet ownership and helping sheltered pets. Westiminster alone this year raised tens of thousands of dollars for animal shelters. The akc's good ownership program is wonderful in educating people on obedience. And you have to pass a certain amount of behavioral tests to be able to compete. They have volunteer programs for injured veterans and hospitals. And just from a logical point of view-people that spend that much money on their pets and care for them so meticulously are just less prone to mistreat their animals.

So I'd politely ask you to refrain from bashing my job and with all due respect I feel that you have misconceptions of dog shows-they don't abuse their animals. Like I said, <i>of course </i>there are bad stories like there is in anything, but that was just rude.

 

[Scarlett81]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Pete</b></i>

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/statistics/GAttack/mapusa.htm">USA Shark Attacks In Recorded History</a>



Lmao



Here's the stats on attacks by SHARKS!!!...EVER!!!!



1670-2006 Confirmed Unprovoked Shark Attacks



(re-read that...1670...lmao)



USA Total attacks = 943 and fatalities are 54



That's from the last 336 YEARS, and the stats on the rottie was from the last 24 years.



LMAO hang on, I'll find the stats on grizzly bears <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"></end quote></div>

Loved that Pete, loved it.

Freak,
It seems like you are now trying to take a cheap shot and rottweilers and boxers...hmm? Oh and dog shows too by the way. Just to clarify-I wasn't attacking dalmations as a breed, I was showing that ALL breeds can attack and pointing out that I don't understand why dalmatians had a bad rap when they seem like a sweet breed. I don't believe that any one breed is prone to attack more-I know some would guffaw at my statement, but it is the same theory that Casear Milan and other dog trainers feel as well. Dogs attack when their owners have conditioned them or b/c of their environment. Why do pitbulls have such a bad reputation?-B/c they have been predominantly an inner city dog, not cared for like a dog should be cared for, and are usually the pets of drug dealers. I do think there are traits that dogs can be born with, and like you said the Working group of dogs has been bred to be more bullheaded.

As far as dog shows go-of course not all things that go on there are perfect and there are wackos, but I'll tell you one thing pal, people that breed dogs with the purpose of showing and compete at dog shows are HUGE advocates for responsible pet ownership and helping sheltered pets. Westiminster alone this year raised tens of thousands of dollars for animal shelters. The akc's good ownership program is wonderful in educating people on obedience. And you have to pass a certain amount of behavioral tests to be able to compete. They have volunteer programs for injured veterans and hospitals. And just from a logical point of view-people that spend that much money on their pets and care for them so meticulously are just less prone to mistreat their animals.

So I'd politely ask you to refrain from bashing my job and with all due respect I feel that you have misconceptions of dog shows-they don't abuse their animals. Like I said, <i>of course </i>there are bad stories like there is in anything, but that was just rude.

 

[julie]

Pete, I fell off my couch laughing.

That's a good rephrasing Fred, I'm going to print that one out and put it in my court binder.

I'll keep you all posted.

And for what it's worth, enough with the what if stuff... ok. If we all lived our lives that way, it would be a sad world. My dogs came in contact with no one and no other animal, and the same way for hers. So lets just drop that aspect ok. Thanks.

 

[julie]

Pete, I fell off my couch laughing.

That's a good rephrasing Fred, I'm going to print that one out and put it in my court binder.

I'll keep you all posted.

And for what it's worth, enough with the what if stuff... ok. If we all lived our lives that way, it would be a sad world. My dogs came in contact with no one and no other animal, and the same way for hers. So lets just drop that aspect ok. Thanks.

 

[julie]

Pete, I fell off my couch laughing.

That's a good rephrasing Fred, I'm going to print that one out and put it in my court binder.

I'll keep you all posted.

And for what it's worth, enough with the what if stuff... ok. If we all lived our lives that way, it would be a sad world. My dogs came in contact with no one and no other animal, and the same way for hers. So lets just drop that aspect ok. Thanks.

 

[fr3ak]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I wasn't attacking dalmations as a breed</end quote></div>

You weren't attacking?

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Interesting how freak has a pic of a dalmatian-not sure if you have had dealings with dog shows freak, but dalmatians have a large reputation of being violent. People try to avoid them</end quote></div>

So yes you were labelling the breed...

I answered

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>It seems like you are now trying to take a cheap shot and rottweilers and boxers...hmm?</end quote></div>

They were the dogs mentioned so I just referred to them...Wasn't a cheap shot, but I just stated the facts......nothing more


to quote myself

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Yes I have had many dealings with dog shows, and I have vowed never to go to them again LOL....I have seen so many things I don't like at shows that I can't bring myself to be in that situation.... </end quote></div>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>So I'd politely ask you to refrain from bashing my job</end quote></div>

Where was I bashing your job?

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>misconceptions of dog shows-they don't abuse their animals.</end quote></div>

where did I say they abused their animals?

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Why do pitbulls have such a bad reputation?-B/c they have been predominantly an inner city dog</end quote></div>

They were bred to do a job to bull bait and fight, and in the wrong hands that's exactly what people make them do, that's why they have a bad reputation, again OWNER RESPONSIBILITY....

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