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Vaccinations

boxer13

New member
I think I read in your birthplan that you were not/ did not vaccinate your baby. I have a newborn and am learning more and more about vaccinations, everything I am reading I do not like. Unfortunately he has already had his Hep B vaccine (at two weeks). Anyway my question is are you doing any type of homeopathic prevention and what reliable websites/research did you do? Thanks for any info you can give.
 

boxer13

New member
I think I read in your birthplan that you were not/ did not vaccinate your baby. I have a newborn and am learning more and more about vaccinations, everything I am reading I do not like. Unfortunately he has already had his Hep B vaccine (at two weeks). Anyway my question is are you doing any type of homeopathic prevention and what reliable websites/research did you do? Thanks for any info you can give.
 

boxer13

New member
I think I read in your birthplan that you were not/ did not vaccinate your baby. I have a newborn and am learning more and more about vaccinations, everything I am reading I do not like. Unfortunately he has already had his Hep B vaccine (at two weeks). Anyway my question is are you doing any type of homeopathic prevention and what reliable websites/research did you do? Thanks for any info you can give.
 

boxer13

New member
I think I read in your birthplan that you were not/ did not vaccinate your baby. I have a newborn and am learning more and more about vaccinations, everything I am reading I do not like. Unfortunately he has already had his Hep B vaccine (at two weeks). Anyway my question is are you doing any type of homeopathic prevention and what reliable websites/research did you do? Thanks for any info you can give.
 

boxer13

New member
I think I read in your birthplan that you were not/ did not vaccinate your baby. I have a newborn and am learning more and more about vaccinations, everything I am reading I do not like. Unfortunately he has already had his Hep B vaccine (at two weeks). Anyway my question is are you doing any type of homeopathic prevention and what reliable websites/research did you do? Thanks for any info you can give.
 

boxer13

New member
I think I read in your birthplan that you were not/ did not vaccinate your baby. I have a newborn and am learning more and more about vaccinations, everything I am reading I do not like. Unfortunately he has already had his Hep B vaccine (at two weeks). Anyway my question is are you doing any type of homeopathic prevention and what reliable websites/research did you do? Thanks for any info you can give.
 

wanderlost

New member
I am going to pm you this stuff since not vaccinating can be a very sensitive issue sometimes! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

wanderlost

New member
I am going to pm you this stuff since not vaccinating can be a very sensitive issue sometimes! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

wanderlost

New member
I am going to pm you this stuff since not vaccinating can be a very sensitive issue sometimes! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

wanderlost

New member
I am going to pm you this stuff since not vaccinating can be a very sensitive issue sometimes! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

wanderlost

New member
I am going to pm you this stuff since not vaccinating can be a very sensitive issue sometimes! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

wanderlost

New member
I am going to pm you this stuff since not vaccinating can be a very sensitive issue sometimes! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

wanderlost

New member
ah, who cares, this is good info for other mommas too!

I copied this from the resource page in the vaccination forum at Mothering.com, but it some of the info that I have used to make my decisions. Breastfeeding is really what I am doing at this point to be as proactive as I can. Obviously hand washing is very important too.


Here's a resource page I've put together, edited a bit to avoid copyright violations...

Optimization of vaccine responses in early life: the role of delivery systems and immunomodulators.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Supporting Children's Health
by Philip Incao, M.D.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.goodlight.net/vacexpert/suportng.htm
">http://www.goodlight.net/vacexpert/suportng.htm
</a>
This expert has also stated that in his experience of treating vaxed and unvaxed children, (for over 20 years) the unvaxed are healthier.

Virus-induced autoimmunity may play a causal role in autism

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...3&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...3&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Personally, I think a lot of the auto immune problems our children are suffering from today are vaccine induced.

Puzzling associations between childhood infections and the later occurrence of asthma and

There are data to suggest that measles, hepatitis A, and Mycobacterium tuberculosis infection in early life may prevent the subsequent development of atopic diseases.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Unlike hepatitis B and hepatitis C, hepatitis A causes no long-term liver damage and usually does not cause death. There is no chronic carrier state with hepatitis A. Having had the disease produces lifelong immunity from future hepatitis A infection.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.hepatitisresources-calif.org/hepa/
">http://www.hepatitisresources-calif.org/hepa/
</a>
Increased susceptibility to measles in infants in the United States.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Hepatitis B virus transmission between children in day care.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Duration of hepatitis B immunity in low risk children receiving hepatitis B vaccinations from birth.


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
</a>
How safe is the Hep B vaccine?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Pertussis resurgence in Canada largely caused by a cohort effect.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
</a>
VACCINE EXCIPIENT & MEDIA SUMMARY


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications...A/Excipient.pdf
">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications...A/Excipient.pdf
</a>
Comparison of tissue reactions produced by Haemophilus pleuropneumoniae vaccines made with six different adjuvants in swine.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...0&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...0&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Based on the growing number of children allergic to peanuts, I tried to find out if any type of peanut oil was used in the vaccines. From what I could find, it may be used in vaccines for animals, but I have not yet found conclusive evidence that it's used in vaccines for people. This is something I am still interested in getting to the bottom of.

Task Force on Safer Childhood Vaccines: Final Report and Recommendations

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publicatio...e/safervacc.htm
">http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publicatio...e/safervacc.htm
</a>
Because the PDR was originally developed as a promotional device, there is no mechanism by which all clinically relevant dose-response data or important postrelease discoveries are regularly and rapidly incorporated into it.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Epidemiology. 1997 Nov;8(6):678-80
Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?

Kemp T, Pearce N, Fitzharris P, Crane J, Fergusson D, St George I, Wickens K, Beasley R.

Department of Medicine, Wellington School of Medicine, New Zealand.

The Christchurch Health and Development Study comprises 1,265 children born in 1977. The 23 children who received no diphtheria/pertussis/tetanus (DPT) and polio immunizations had no recorded asthma episodes or consultations for asthma or other allergic illness before age 10 years; in the immunized children, 23.1% had asthma episodes, 22.5% asthma consultations, and 30.0% consultations for other allergic illness. Similar differences were observed at ages 5 and 16 years. These findings do not appear to be due to differential use of health services (although this possibility cannot be excluded) or con-founding by ethnicity, socioeconomic status, parental atopy, or parental smoking.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...9&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...9&dopt=Abstract
</a>
..."Part of the premise for Representative Burton's press release was his statement that the 2003 Physicians Desk Reference (PDR) showed that there are three vaccine manufacturers who are still making childhood vaccines with full doses {his term} of thimerosal. Specifically, his press release of May 1, 2003 stated:

"The 2003 Physicians' Desk Reference shows that there are three vaccine manufacturers who are still making childhood vaccines with full doses of thimerosal. These are as follows: the Diphtheria-Tetanus-acellular-Pertussis (DTaP) manufactured by Aventis-Pasteur in multi-dose vials contains 25 micrograms of mercury; the Haemophilus-influenza-Type b (Hib TITER) in multi-dose vials manufactured by Wyeth contains 25 micrograms of mercury; and the pediatric hepatitis B vaccine manufactured by Merck contains 12.5 micrograms of mercury. These vaccines represent approximately half of the childhood vaccines currently available for use in the United States."


Were thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines still listed in the 2003 PDR and did that mean that they were still available in the marketplace?

In an effort to better understand how a vaccine could be listed in the most current PDR showing that it contains thimerosal when it is no longer manufactured as such, we contacted PDR directly and asked how the information in their reference books is kept current.

The PDR is published yearly by Thomson Healthcare in Montvale, NJ. Manufacturers pay to have their products listed in the PDR and a free copy of the PDR is distributed to office-based physicians.


Manufacturers can decide at any time to discontinue production, however, once a manufacturer makes such a decision it is not uncommon for them to keep the information in the PDR for at least a couple of years. The reasons for doing this are varied. Having unexpired product still available in the market, or a recommendation from legal council that a product listing be maintained are but two of the many potential reasons why essentially outdated information may still be maintained in the PDR.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ecbt.org/0603textonly.html
">http://www.ecbt.org/0603textonly.html
</a>
Pediatric Neurologist comments on Vaccine Reactions"

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.eaglefoundation.net/Kinsbourne.htm
">http://www.eaglefoundation.net/Kinsbourne.htm
</a>
I believe this info came from one of the congressional hearings.

CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS:

FACA: CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND VACCINE DEVELOPMENT--PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:73042.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:73042.wais
</a>
VACCINES--FINDING THE BALANCE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PERSONAL CHOICE

Mr. Cummings. Have there been any published peer review studies that show a link between hepatitis B vaccine and conditions such as multiple sclerosis and SIDS? Dr. Orenstein. There have been case reports that have suggested that this is a possibility, and that's why we are doing more comprehensive research. The people who are developing these illnesses after vaccination have very, very severe illnesses; there's no question that these are terrible tragedies. The problem is that there are people who develop these same kinds of tragedies, these same kinds of illnesses in the absence of vaccination. And that's why we're engaged, we and others are engaged in substantial research to try and see whether the vaccine increases the risk over what would be expected.

Scroll down to almost the bottom of the page & look for these statements:

STATEMENTS OF RONALD C. KENNEDY, PROFESSOR, DEPARTMENT OF MICROBIOLOGY AND IMMUNOLOGY, UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER; SAMUEL L. KATZ, PROFESSOR EMERITUS, DEPARTMENT OF PEDIATRICS, DUKE UNIVERSITY MEDICAL CENTER; AND MARCEL KINSBOURNE, PEDIATRIC NEUROLOGIST

HEPATITIS B VACCINE: HELPING OR HURTING PUBLIC HEALTH?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:63308.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:63308.wais
</a>
MERCURY IN MEDICINE--ARE WE TAKING UNNECESSARY RISKS?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:72722.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:72722.wais
</a>
VACCINES--FINDING THE BALANCE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PERSONAL CHOICE

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:62560.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:62560.wais
</a>
COMPENSATING VACCINE INJURIES: ARE REFORMS NEEDED?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:66079.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:66079.wais
</a>
Trends in Deaths Caused by Infectious Diseases in the United States, 1900 - 1994

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/emergplan/box01.htm
">http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/emergplan/box01.htm
</a>
You can look up VICP cases here:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/osm.htm
">http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/osm.htm
</a>
Wonder why the respondent's want to keep info under wraps if they don't have anything to hide.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/A...sm%20Update.pdf
">http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/A...sm%20Update.pdf
</a>
Workshop on neurologic complications of pertussis and pertussis vaccination.

1. Vaccines are not standardized between manufacturers.

2. For a given manufacturer, vaccines are not standard from one batch to the next.

3. Unless the vaccine is properly prepared and refrigerated, its potency and reactivity varies with shelf life.

In fact, the whole question of vaccine detoxification has never been systematically investigated.

Listed in order of increasing severity, observed adverse reactions include irritability, persistent, unusually high pitched crying, somnolence, seizures, a shock-like "hypotensive, hyporesponsive" state, and an encephalopathy. Since the neurologic picture is not specific for pertussis vaccination, its temporal relationship to the vaccination is the critical variable for determining causation. Although the majority of seizures following pertussis vaccination are associated with fever, it was the consensus of the neurologists attending the workshop, that these do not represent febrile convulsions, but are non-benign convulsions.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Sudden Infant Death Syndrome -- United States, 1983-1994

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00043987.htm
">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00043987.htm
</a>
RECALLS AND FIELD CORRECTIONS: BIOLOGICS -- CLASS II PRODUCT Platelets. Recall #B-441-2. CODE Unit #90028. MANUFACTURER Memorial Blood Center of Minneapolis, Minneapolis, Minnesota. RECALLED BY Manufacturer, by telephone June 1, 1992. Firm-initiated recall complete. DISTRIBUTION Minnesota. QUANTITY 1 unit. REASON Blood product, which tested repeatedly reactive for the antibody to hepatitis B core antigen (anti-HBC), was distributed for transfusion.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ENFORCE/ENF00175.html
">http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ENFORCE/ENF00175.html
</a>
Conflicts of Interest in Vaccine Policy Making
Majority Staff Report
Committee on Government Reform
U.S. House of Representatives
June 15, 2000

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html
">http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html
</a>
Reconstituted vaccines may become contaminated with staphylococcus and other organisms from improper handling. Once this happens, a chemical called a toxin is produced that may be deadly if injected.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.who.int/vaccines-access/...handlingeng.pdf
">http://www.who.int/vaccines-access/...handlingeng.pdf
</a>
FLUMIST MEETING

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac...s/3912t1-01.pdf
">http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac...s/3912t1-01.pdf
</a>
Dangerous Prescription

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...views/rich.html
">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...views/rich.html
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...s/prescription/
">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...s/prescription/
</a>
Typing of human enteroviruses by partial sequencing of VP1.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=99221739
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=99221739
</a>
Calling the Shots: Immunization Finance Policies and Practices (2000)
Institute of Medicine

WOW, this site compares vaccines used 1985 vs. 2000 vs. what they expect to be in use by
2020

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://books.nap.edu/books/03090702...58.html#pagetop
">http://books.nap.edu/books/03090702...58.html#pagetop
</a>History of the vaccine schedule:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Increased levels of active pertussis toxin may aid a pertussis vaccine to pass the mouse body weight gain test.

(my son failed this test)

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
</a>
TB STATS, see how it's declined without widespread vaccination. This may answer the question, what will happen if we stop vaccinating...

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/tb/surv/s.../pdf/T6and7.pdf
">http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/tb/surv/s.../pdf/T6and7.pdf
</a>
FAST STATS:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/Default.htm
">http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/Default.htm
</a>
Death after vaccine, unable to explain cause

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/human/p...us/851903en.pdf
">http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/human/p...us/851903en.pdf
</a>
Rotavirus Vaccine (they forgot to mention the 1-3 deaths that occurred after vaccination)

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cach...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
">http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cach...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
</a>
Weighing the risks and benefits of vaccination.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
</a>
*************************************
Let's look at vaccine schedules, then and now:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Vaccine Schedule
In the early 1950s, there were four vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and smallpox. Because three of these vaccines were combined into a single shot (DTP), children received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.

By the mid-1980s, there were seven vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella and polio. Because six of these vaccines were combined into two shots (DTP and MMR), and one, the polio vaccine, was given by mouth, children still received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.

Since the mid-1980s, many vaccines have been added to the schedule. Hib vaccine was added in the late-1980s. In the 1990s, hepatitis B and varicella vaccines were added and the polio vaccine shot (IPV) replaced the oral polio vaccine (OPV). In the year 2000, the pneumococcal vaccine was added. Now, children could receive as many as 20 shots by 2 years of age and five shots in a single visit!

(Dec of 2002, a 5 in 1 combo shot was licensed, Pediarix. Should a child have a reaction, it will be virtually impossible to determine which of the 5 were the cause.)

And more vaccines are to come. By 2005, it is likely that children will also be recommended to receive a meningococcal vaccine, the influenza vaccine and the hepatitis A vaccine, all given as shots.
 

wanderlost

New member
ah, who cares, this is good info for other mommas too!

I copied this from the resource page in the vaccination forum at Mothering.com, but it some of the info that I have used to make my decisions. Breastfeeding is really what I am doing at this point to be as proactive as I can. Obviously hand washing is very important too.


Here's a resource page I've put together, edited a bit to avoid copyright violations...

Optimization of vaccine responses in early life: the role of delivery systems and immunomodulators.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Supporting Children's Health
by Philip Incao, M.D.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.goodlight.net/vacexpert/suportng.htm
">http://www.goodlight.net/vacexpert/suportng.htm
</a>
This expert has also stated that in his experience of treating vaxed and unvaxed children, (for over 20 years) the unvaxed are healthier.

Virus-induced autoimmunity may play a causal role in autism

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...3&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...3&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Personally, I think a lot of the auto immune problems our children are suffering from today are vaccine induced.

Puzzling associations between childhood infections and the later occurrence of asthma and

There are data to suggest that measles, hepatitis A, and Mycobacterium tuberculosis infection in early life may prevent the subsequent development of atopic diseases.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Unlike hepatitis B and hepatitis C, hepatitis A causes no long-term liver damage and usually does not cause death. There is no chronic carrier state with hepatitis A. Having had the disease produces lifelong immunity from future hepatitis A infection.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.hepatitisresources-calif.org/hepa/
">http://www.hepatitisresources-calif.org/hepa/
</a>
Increased susceptibility to measles in infants in the United States.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Hepatitis B virus transmission between children in day care.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Duration of hepatitis B immunity in low risk children receiving hepatitis B vaccinations from birth.


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
</a>
How safe is the Hep B vaccine?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Pertussis resurgence in Canada largely caused by a cohort effect.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
</a>
VACCINE EXCIPIENT & MEDIA SUMMARY


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications...A/Excipient.pdf
">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications...A/Excipient.pdf
</a>
Comparison of tissue reactions produced by Haemophilus pleuropneumoniae vaccines made with six different adjuvants in swine.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...0&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...0&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Based on the growing number of children allergic to peanuts, I tried to find out if any type of peanut oil was used in the vaccines. From what I could find, it may be used in vaccines for animals, but I have not yet found conclusive evidence that it's used in vaccines for people. This is something I am still interested in getting to the bottom of.

Task Force on Safer Childhood Vaccines: Final Report and Recommendations

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publicatio...e/safervacc.htm
">http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publicatio...e/safervacc.htm
</a>
Because the PDR was originally developed as a promotional device, there is no mechanism by which all clinically relevant dose-response data or important postrelease discoveries are regularly and rapidly incorporated into it.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Epidemiology. 1997 Nov;8(6):678-80
Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?

Kemp T, Pearce N, Fitzharris P, Crane J, Fergusson D, St George I, Wickens K, Beasley R.

Department of Medicine, Wellington School of Medicine, New Zealand.

The Christchurch Health and Development Study comprises 1,265 children born in 1977. The 23 children who received no diphtheria/pertussis/tetanus (DPT) and polio immunizations had no recorded asthma episodes or consultations for asthma or other allergic illness before age 10 years; in the immunized children, 23.1% had asthma episodes, 22.5% asthma consultations, and 30.0% consultations for other allergic illness. Similar differences were observed at ages 5 and 16 years. These findings do not appear to be due to differential use of health services (although this possibility cannot be excluded) or con-founding by ethnicity, socioeconomic status, parental atopy, or parental smoking.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...9&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...9&dopt=Abstract
</a>
..."Part of the premise for Representative Burton's press release was his statement that the 2003 Physicians Desk Reference (PDR) showed that there are three vaccine manufacturers who are still making childhood vaccines with full doses {his term} of thimerosal. Specifically, his press release of May 1, 2003 stated:

"The 2003 Physicians' Desk Reference shows that there are three vaccine manufacturers who are still making childhood vaccines with full doses of thimerosal. These are as follows: the Diphtheria-Tetanus-acellular-Pertussis (DTaP) manufactured by Aventis-Pasteur in multi-dose vials contains 25 micrograms of mercury; the Haemophilus-influenza-Type b (Hib TITER) in multi-dose vials manufactured by Wyeth contains 25 micrograms of mercury; and the pediatric hepatitis B vaccine manufactured by Merck contains 12.5 micrograms of mercury. These vaccines represent approximately half of the childhood vaccines currently available for use in the United States."


Were thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines still listed in the 2003 PDR and did that mean that they were still available in the marketplace?

In an effort to better understand how a vaccine could be listed in the most current PDR showing that it contains thimerosal when it is no longer manufactured as such, we contacted PDR directly and asked how the information in their reference books is kept current.

The PDR is published yearly by Thomson Healthcare in Montvale, NJ. Manufacturers pay to have their products listed in the PDR and a free copy of the PDR is distributed to office-based physicians.


Manufacturers can decide at any time to discontinue production, however, once a manufacturer makes such a decision it is not uncommon for them to keep the information in the PDR for at least a couple of years. The reasons for doing this are varied. Having unexpired product still available in the market, or a recommendation from legal council that a product listing be maintained are but two of the many potential reasons why essentially outdated information may still be maintained in the PDR.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ecbt.org/0603textonly.html
">http://www.ecbt.org/0603textonly.html
</a>
Pediatric Neurologist comments on Vaccine Reactions"

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.eaglefoundation.net/Kinsbourne.htm
">http://www.eaglefoundation.net/Kinsbourne.htm
</a>
I believe this info came from one of the congressional hearings.

CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS:

FACA: CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND VACCINE DEVELOPMENT--PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:73042.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:73042.wais
</a>
VACCINES--FINDING THE BALANCE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PERSONAL CHOICE

Mr. Cummings. Have there been any published peer review studies that show a link between hepatitis B vaccine and conditions such as multiple sclerosis and SIDS? Dr. Orenstein. There have been case reports that have suggested that this is a possibility, and that's why we are doing more comprehensive research. The people who are developing these illnesses after vaccination have very, very severe illnesses; there's no question that these are terrible tragedies. The problem is that there are people who develop these same kinds of tragedies, these same kinds of illnesses in the absence of vaccination. And that's why we're engaged, we and others are engaged in substantial research to try and see whether the vaccine increases the risk over what would be expected.

Scroll down to almost the bottom of the page & look for these statements:

STATEMENTS OF RONALD C. KENNEDY, PROFESSOR, DEPARTMENT OF MICROBIOLOGY AND IMMUNOLOGY, UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER; SAMUEL L. KATZ, PROFESSOR EMERITUS, DEPARTMENT OF PEDIATRICS, DUKE UNIVERSITY MEDICAL CENTER; AND MARCEL KINSBOURNE, PEDIATRIC NEUROLOGIST

HEPATITIS B VACCINE: HELPING OR HURTING PUBLIC HEALTH?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:63308.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:63308.wais
</a>
MERCURY IN MEDICINE--ARE WE TAKING UNNECESSARY RISKS?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:72722.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:72722.wais
</a>
VACCINES--FINDING THE BALANCE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PERSONAL CHOICE

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:62560.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:62560.wais
</a>
COMPENSATING VACCINE INJURIES: ARE REFORMS NEEDED?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:66079.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:66079.wais
</a>
Trends in Deaths Caused by Infectious Diseases in the United States, 1900 - 1994

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/emergplan/box01.htm
">http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/emergplan/box01.htm
</a>
You can look up VICP cases here:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/osm.htm
">http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/osm.htm
</a>
Wonder why the respondent's want to keep info under wraps if they don't have anything to hide.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/A...sm%20Update.pdf
">http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/A...sm%20Update.pdf
</a>
Workshop on neurologic complications of pertussis and pertussis vaccination.

1. Vaccines are not standardized between manufacturers.

2. For a given manufacturer, vaccines are not standard from one batch to the next.

3. Unless the vaccine is properly prepared and refrigerated, its potency and reactivity varies with shelf life.

In fact, the whole question of vaccine detoxification has never been systematically investigated.

Listed in order of increasing severity, observed adverse reactions include irritability, persistent, unusually high pitched crying, somnolence, seizures, a shock-like "hypotensive, hyporesponsive" state, and an encephalopathy. Since the neurologic picture is not specific for pertussis vaccination, its temporal relationship to the vaccination is the critical variable for determining causation. Although the majority of seizures following pertussis vaccination are associated with fever, it was the consensus of the neurologists attending the workshop, that these do not represent febrile convulsions, but are non-benign convulsions.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Sudden Infant Death Syndrome -- United States, 1983-1994

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00043987.htm
">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00043987.htm
</a>
RECALLS AND FIELD CORRECTIONS: BIOLOGICS -- CLASS II PRODUCT Platelets. Recall #B-441-2. CODE Unit #90028. MANUFACTURER Memorial Blood Center of Minneapolis, Minneapolis, Minnesota. RECALLED BY Manufacturer, by telephone June 1, 1992. Firm-initiated recall complete. DISTRIBUTION Minnesota. QUANTITY 1 unit. REASON Blood product, which tested repeatedly reactive for the antibody to hepatitis B core antigen (anti-HBC), was distributed for transfusion.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ENFORCE/ENF00175.html
">http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ENFORCE/ENF00175.html
</a>
Conflicts of Interest in Vaccine Policy Making
Majority Staff Report
Committee on Government Reform
U.S. House of Representatives
June 15, 2000

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html
">http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html
</a>
Reconstituted vaccines may become contaminated with staphylococcus and other organisms from improper handling. Once this happens, a chemical called a toxin is produced that may be deadly if injected.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.who.int/vaccines-access/...handlingeng.pdf
">http://www.who.int/vaccines-access/...handlingeng.pdf
</a>
FLUMIST MEETING

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac...s/3912t1-01.pdf
">http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac...s/3912t1-01.pdf
</a>
Dangerous Prescription

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...views/rich.html
">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...views/rich.html
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...s/prescription/
">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...s/prescription/
</a>
Typing of human enteroviruses by partial sequencing of VP1.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=99221739
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=99221739
</a>
Calling the Shots: Immunization Finance Policies and Practices (2000)
Institute of Medicine

WOW, this site compares vaccines used 1985 vs. 2000 vs. what they expect to be in use by
2020

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://books.nap.edu/books/03090702...58.html#pagetop
">http://books.nap.edu/books/03090702...58.html#pagetop
</a>History of the vaccine schedule:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Increased levels of active pertussis toxin may aid a pertussis vaccine to pass the mouse body weight gain test.

(my son failed this test)

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
</a>
TB STATS, see how it's declined without widespread vaccination. This may answer the question, what will happen if we stop vaccinating...

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/tb/surv/s.../pdf/T6and7.pdf
">http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/tb/surv/s.../pdf/T6and7.pdf
</a>
FAST STATS:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/Default.htm
">http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/Default.htm
</a>
Death after vaccine, unable to explain cause

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/human/p...us/851903en.pdf
">http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/human/p...us/851903en.pdf
</a>
Rotavirus Vaccine (they forgot to mention the 1-3 deaths that occurred after vaccination)

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cach...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
">http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cach...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
</a>
Weighing the risks and benefits of vaccination.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
</a>
*************************************
Let's look at vaccine schedules, then and now:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Vaccine Schedule
In the early 1950s, there were four vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and smallpox. Because three of these vaccines were combined into a single shot (DTP), children received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.

By the mid-1980s, there were seven vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella and polio. Because six of these vaccines were combined into two shots (DTP and MMR), and one, the polio vaccine, was given by mouth, children still received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.

Since the mid-1980s, many vaccines have been added to the schedule. Hib vaccine was added in the late-1980s. In the 1990s, hepatitis B and varicella vaccines were added and the polio vaccine shot (IPV) replaced the oral polio vaccine (OPV). In the year 2000, the pneumococcal vaccine was added. Now, children could receive as many as 20 shots by 2 years of age and five shots in a single visit!

(Dec of 2002, a 5 in 1 combo shot was licensed, Pediarix. Should a child have a reaction, it will be virtually impossible to determine which of the 5 were the cause.)

And more vaccines are to come. By 2005, it is likely that children will also be recommended to receive a meningococcal vaccine, the influenza vaccine and the hepatitis A vaccine, all given as shots.
 

wanderlost

New member
ah, who cares, this is good info for other mommas too!

I copied this from the resource page in the vaccination forum at Mothering.com, but it some of the info that I have used to make my decisions. Breastfeeding is really what I am doing at this point to be as proactive as I can. Obviously hand washing is very important too.


Here's a resource page I've put together, edited a bit to avoid copyright violations...

Optimization of vaccine responses in early life: the role of delivery systems and immunomodulators.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Supporting Children's Health
by Philip Incao, M.D.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.goodlight.net/vacexpert/suportng.htm
">http://www.goodlight.net/vacexpert/suportng.htm
</a>
This expert has also stated that in his experience of treating vaxed and unvaxed children, (for over 20 years) the unvaxed are healthier.

Virus-induced autoimmunity may play a causal role in autism

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...3&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...3&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Personally, I think a lot of the auto immune problems our children are suffering from today are vaccine induced.

Puzzling associations between childhood infections and the later occurrence of asthma and

There are data to suggest that measles, hepatitis A, and Mycobacterium tuberculosis infection in early life may prevent the subsequent development of atopic diseases.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Unlike hepatitis B and hepatitis C, hepatitis A causes no long-term liver damage and usually does not cause death. There is no chronic carrier state with hepatitis A. Having had the disease produces lifelong immunity from future hepatitis A infection.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.hepatitisresources-calif.org/hepa/
">http://www.hepatitisresources-calif.org/hepa/
</a>
Increased susceptibility to measles in infants in the United States.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Hepatitis B virus transmission between children in day care.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Duration of hepatitis B immunity in low risk children receiving hepatitis B vaccinations from birth.


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
</a>
How safe is the Hep B vaccine?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Pertussis resurgence in Canada largely caused by a cohort effect.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
</a>
VACCINE EXCIPIENT & MEDIA SUMMARY


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications...A/Excipient.pdf
">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications...A/Excipient.pdf
</a>
Comparison of tissue reactions produced by Haemophilus pleuropneumoniae vaccines made with six different adjuvants in swine.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...0&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...0&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Based on the growing number of children allergic to peanuts, I tried to find out if any type of peanut oil was used in the vaccines. From what I could find, it may be used in vaccines for animals, but I have not yet found conclusive evidence that it's used in vaccines for people. This is something I am still interested in getting to the bottom of.

Task Force on Safer Childhood Vaccines: Final Report and Recommendations

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publicatio...e/safervacc.htm
">http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publicatio...e/safervacc.htm
</a>
Because the PDR was originally developed as a promotional device, there is no mechanism by which all clinically relevant dose-response data or important postrelease discoveries are regularly and rapidly incorporated into it.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Epidemiology. 1997 Nov;8(6):678-80
Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?

Kemp T, Pearce N, Fitzharris P, Crane J, Fergusson D, St George I, Wickens K, Beasley R.

Department of Medicine, Wellington School of Medicine, New Zealand.

The Christchurch Health and Development Study comprises 1,265 children born in 1977. The 23 children who received no diphtheria/pertussis/tetanus (DPT) and polio immunizations had no recorded asthma episodes or consultations for asthma or other allergic illness before age 10 years; in the immunized children, 23.1% had asthma episodes, 22.5% asthma consultations, and 30.0% consultations for other allergic illness. Similar differences were observed at ages 5 and 16 years. These findings do not appear to be due to differential use of health services (although this possibility cannot be excluded) or con-founding by ethnicity, socioeconomic status, parental atopy, or parental smoking.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...9&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...9&dopt=Abstract
</a>
..."Part of the premise for Representative Burton's press release was his statement that the 2003 Physicians Desk Reference (PDR) showed that there are three vaccine manufacturers who are still making childhood vaccines with full doses {his term} of thimerosal. Specifically, his press release of May 1, 2003 stated:

"The 2003 Physicians' Desk Reference shows that there are three vaccine manufacturers who are still making childhood vaccines with full doses of thimerosal. These are as follows: the Diphtheria-Tetanus-acellular-Pertussis (DTaP) manufactured by Aventis-Pasteur in multi-dose vials contains 25 micrograms of mercury; the Haemophilus-influenza-Type b (Hib TITER) in multi-dose vials manufactured by Wyeth contains 25 micrograms of mercury; and the pediatric hepatitis B vaccine manufactured by Merck contains 12.5 micrograms of mercury. These vaccines represent approximately half of the childhood vaccines currently available for use in the United States."


Were thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines still listed in the 2003 PDR and did that mean that they were still available in the marketplace?

In an effort to better understand how a vaccine could be listed in the most current PDR showing that it contains thimerosal when it is no longer manufactured as such, we contacted PDR directly and asked how the information in their reference books is kept current.

The PDR is published yearly by Thomson Healthcare in Montvale, NJ. Manufacturers pay to have their products listed in the PDR and a free copy of the PDR is distributed to office-based physicians.


Manufacturers can decide at any time to discontinue production, however, once a manufacturer makes such a decision it is not uncommon for them to keep the information in the PDR for at least a couple of years. The reasons for doing this are varied. Having unexpired product still available in the market, or a recommendation from legal council that a product listing be maintained are but two of the many potential reasons why essentially outdated information may still be maintained in the PDR.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ecbt.org/0603textonly.html
">http://www.ecbt.org/0603textonly.html
</a>
Pediatric Neurologist comments on Vaccine Reactions"

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.eaglefoundation.net/Kinsbourne.htm
">http://www.eaglefoundation.net/Kinsbourne.htm
</a>
I believe this info came from one of the congressional hearings.

CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS:

FACA: CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND VACCINE DEVELOPMENT--PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:73042.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:73042.wais
</a>
VACCINES--FINDING THE BALANCE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PERSONAL CHOICE

Mr. Cummings. Have there been any published peer review studies that show a link between hepatitis B vaccine and conditions such as multiple sclerosis and SIDS? Dr. Orenstein. There have been case reports that have suggested that this is a possibility, and that's why we are doing more comprehensive research. The people who are developing these illnesses after vaccination have very, very severe illnesses; there's no question that these are terrible tragedies. The problem is that there are people who develop these same kinds of tragedies, these same kinds of illnesses in the absence of vaccination. And that's why we're engaged, we and others are engaged in substantial research to try and see whether the vaccine increases the risk over what would be expected.

Scroll down to almost the bottom of the page & look for these statements:

STATEMENTS OF RONALD C. KENNEDY, PROFESSOR, DEPARTMENT OF MICROBIOLOGY AND IMMUNOLOGY, UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER; SAMUEL L. KATZ, PROFESSOR EMERITUS, DEPARTMENT OF PEDIATRICS, DUKE UNIVERSITY MEDICAL CENTER; AND MARCEL KINSBOURNE, PEDIATRIC NEUROLOGIST

HEPATITIS B VACCINE: HELPING OR HURTING PUBLIC HEALTH?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:63308.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:63308.wais
</a>
MERCURY IN MEDICINE--ARE WE TAKING UNNECESSARY RISKS?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:72722.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:72722.wais
</a>
VACCINES--FINDING THE BALANCE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PERSONAL CHOICE

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:62560.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:62560.wais
</a>
COMPENSATING VACCINE INJURIES: ARE REFORMS NEEDED?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:66079.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:66079.wais
</a>
Trends in Deaths Caused by Infectious Diseases in the United States, 1900 - 1994

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/emergplan/box01.htm
">http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/emergplan/box01.htm
</a>
You can look up VICP cases here:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/osm.htm
">http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/osm.htm
</a>
Wonder why the respondent's want to keep info under wraps if they don't have anything to hide.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/A...sm%20Update.pdf
">http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/A...sm%20Update.pdf
</a>
Workshop on neurologic complications of pertussis and pertussis vaccination.

1. Vaccines are not standardized between manufacturers.

2. For a given manufacturer, vaccines are not standard from one batch to the next.

3. Unless the vaccine is properly prepared and refrigerated, its potency and reactivity varies with shelf life.

In fact, the whole question of vaccine detoxification has never been systematically investigated.

Listed in order of increasing severity, observed adverse reactions include irritability, persistent, unusually high pitched crying, somnolence, seizures, a shock-like "hypotensive, hyporesponsive" state, and an encephalopathy. Since the neurologic picture is not specific for pertussis vaccination, its temporal relationship to the vaccination is the critical variable for determining causation. Although the majority of seizures following pertussis vaccination are associated with fever, it was the consensus of the neurologists attending the workshop, that these do not represent febrile convulsions, but are non-benign convulsions.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Sudden Infant Death Syndrome -- United States, 1983-1994

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00043987.htm
">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00043987.htm
</a>
RECALLS AND FIELD CORRECTIONS: BIOLOGICS -- CLASS II PRODUCT Platelets. Recall #B-441-2. CODE Unit #90028. MANUFACTURER Memorial Blood Center of Minneapolis, Minneapolis, Minnesota. RECALLED BY Manufacturer, by telephone June 1, 1992. Firm-initiated recall complete. DISTRIBUTION Minnesota. QUANTITY 1 unit. REASON Blood product, which tested repeatedly reactive for the antibody to hepatitis B core antigen (anti-HBC), was distributed for transfusion.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ENFORCE/ENF00175.html
">http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ENFORCE/ENF00175.html
</a>
Conflicts of Interest in Vaccine Policy Making
Majority Staff Report
Committee on Government Reform
U.S. House of Representatives
June 15, 2000

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html
">http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html
</a>
Reconstituted vaccines may become contaminated with staphylococcus and other organisms from improper handling. Once this happens, a chemical called a toxin is produced that may be deadly if injected.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.who.int/vaccines-access/...handlingeng.pdf
">http://www.who.int/vaccines-access/...handlingeng.pdf
</a>
FLUMIST MEETING

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac...s/3912t1-01.pdf
">http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac...s/3912t1-01.pdf
</a>
Dangerous Prescription

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...views/rich.html
">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...views/rich.html
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...s/prescription/
">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...s/prescription/
</a>
Typing of human enteroviruses by partial sequencing of VP1.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=99221739
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=99221739
</a>
Calling the Shots: Immunization Finance Policies and Practices (2000)
Institute of Medicine

WOW, this site compares vaccines used 1985 vs. 2000 vs. what they expect to be in use by
2020

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://books.nap.edu/books/03090702...58.html#pagetop
">http://books.nap.edu/books/03090702...58.html#pagetop
</a>History of the vaccine schedule:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Increased levels of active pertussis toxin may aid a pertussis vaccine to pass the mouse body weight gain test.

(my son failed this test)

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
</a>
TB STATS, see how it's declined without widespread vaccination. This may answer the question, what will happen if we stop vaccinating...

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/tb/surv/s.../pdf/T6and7.pdf
">http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/tb/surv/s.../pdf/T6and7.pdf
</a>
FAST STATS:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/Default.htm
">http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/Default.htm
</a>
Death after vaccine, unable to explain cause

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/human/p...us/851903en.pdf
">http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/human/p...us/851903en.pdf
</a>
Rotavirus Vaccine (they forgot to mention the 1-3 deaths that occurred after vaccination)

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cach...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
">http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cach...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
</a>
Weighing the risks and benefits of vaccination.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
</a>
*************************************
Let's look at vaccine schedules, then and now:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Vaccine Schedule
In the early 1950s, there were four vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and smallpox. Because three of these vaccines were combined into a single shot (DTP), children received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.

By the mid-1980s, there were seven vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella and polio. Because six of these vaccines were combined into two shots (DTP and MMR), and one, the polio vaccine, was given by mouth, children still received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.

Since the mid-1980s, many vaccines have been added to the schedule. Hib vaccine was added in the late-1980s. In the 1990s, hepatitis B and varicella vaccines were added and the polio vaccine shot (IPV) replaced the oral polio vaccine (OPV). In the year 2000, the pneumococcal vaccine was added. Now, children could receive as many as 20 shots by 2 years of age and five shots in a single visit!

(Dec of 2002, a 5 in 1 combo shot was licensed, Pediarix. Should a child have a reaction, it will be virtually impossible to determine which of the 5 were the cause.)

And more vaccines are to come. By 2005, it is likely that children will also be recommended to receive a meningococcal vaccine, the influenza vaccine and the hepatitis A vaccine, all given as shots.
 

wanderlost

New member
ah, who cares, this is good info for other mommas too!

I copied this from the resource page in the vaccination forum at Mothering.com, but it some of the info that I have used to make my decisions. Breastfeeding is really what I am doing at this point to be as proactive as I can. Obviously hand washing is very important too.


Here's a resource page I've put together, edited a bit to avoid copyright violations...

Optimization of vaccine responses in early life: the role of delivery systems and immunomodulators.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Supporting Children's Health
by Philip Incao, M.D.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.goodlight.net/vacexpert/suportng.htm
">http://www.goodlight.net/vacexpert/suportng.htm
</a>
This expert has also stated that in his experience of treating vaxed and unvaxed children, (for over 20 years) the unvaxed are healthier.

Virus-induced autoimmunity may play a causal role in autism

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...3&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...3&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Personally, I think a lot of the auto immune problems our children are suffering from today are vaccine induced.

Puzzling associations between childhood infections and the later occurrence of asthma and

There are data to suggest that measles, hepatitis A, and Mycobacterium tuberculosis infection in early life may prevent the subsequent development of atopic diseases.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Unlike hepatitis B and hepatitis C, hepatitis A causes no long-term liver damage and usually does not cause death. There is no chronic carrier state with hepatitis A. Having had the disease produces lifelong immunity from future hepatitis A infection.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.hepatitisresources-calif.org/hepa/
">http://www.hepatitisresources-calif.org/hepa/
</a>
Increased susceptibility to measles in infants in the United States.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Hepatitis B virus transmission between children in day care.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Duration of hepatitis B immunity in low risk children receiving hepatitis B vaccinations from birth.


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
</a>
How safe is the Hep B vaccine?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Pertussis resurgence in Canada largely caused by a cohort effect.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
</a>
VACCINE EXCIPIENT & MEDIA SUMMARY


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications...A/Excipient.pdf
">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications...A/Excipient.pdf
</a>
Comparison of tissue reactions produced by Haemophilus pleuropneumoniae vaccines made with six different adjuvants in swine.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...0&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...0&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Based on the growing number of children allergic to peanuts, I tried to find out if any type of peanut oil was used in the vaccines. From what I could find, it may be used in vaccines for animals, but I have not yet found conclusive evidence that it's used in vaccines for people. This is something I am still interested in getting to the bottom of.

Task Force on Safer Childhood Vaccines: Final Report and Recommendations

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publicatio...e/safervacc.htm
">http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publicatio...e/safervacc.htm
</a>
Because the PDR was originally developed as a promotional device, there is no mechanism by which all clinically relevant dose-response data or important postrelease discoveries are regularly and rapidly incorporated into it.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Epidemiology. 1997 Nov;8(6):678-80
Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?

Kemp T, Pearce N, Fitzharris P, Crane J, Fergusson D, St George I, Wickens K, Beasley R.

Department of Medicine, Wellington School of Medicine, New Zealand.

The Christchurch Health and Development Study comprises 1,265 children born in 1977. The 23 children who received no diphtheria/pertussis/tetanus (DPT) and polio immunizations had no recorded asthma episodes or consultations for asthma or other allergic illness before age 10 years; in the immunized children, 23.1% had asthma episodes, 22.5% asthma consultations, and 30.0% consultations for other allergic illness. Similar differences were observed at ages 5 and 16 years. These findings do not appear to be due to differential use of health services (although this possibility cannot be excluded) or con-founding by ethnicity, socioeconomic status, parental atopy, or parental smoking.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...9&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...9&dopt=Abstract
</a>
..."Part of the premise for Representative Burton's press release was his statement that the 2003 Physicians Desk Reference (PDR) showed that there are three vaccine manufacturers who are still making childhood vaccines with full doses {his term} of thimerosal. Specifically, his press release of May 1, 2003 stated:

"The 2003 Physicians' Desk Reference shows that there are three vaccine manufacturers who are still making childhood vaccines with full doses of thimerosal. These are as follows: the Diphtheria-Tetanus-acellular-Pertussis (DTaP) manufactured by Aventis-Pasteur in multi-dose vials contains 25 micrograms of mercury; the Haemophilus-influenza-Type b (Hib TITER) in multi-dose vials manufactured by Wyeth contains 25 micrograms of mercury; and the pediatric hepatitis B vaccine manufactured by Merck contains 12.5 micrograms of mercury. These vaccines represent approximately half of the childhood vaccines currently available for use in the United States."


Were thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines still listed in the 2003 PDR and did that mean that they were still available in the marketplace?

In an effort to better understand how a vaccine could be listed in the most current PDR showing that it contains thimerosal when it is no longer manufactured as such, we contacted PDR directly and asked how the information in their reference books is kept current.

The PDR is published yearly by Thomson Healthcare in Montvale, NJ. Manufacturers pay to have their products listed in the PDR and a free copy of the PDR is distributed to office-based physicians.


Manufacturers can decide at any time to discontinue production, however, once a manufacturer makes such a decision it is not uncommon for them to keep the information in the PDR for at least a couple of years. The reasons for doing this are varied. Having unexpired product still available in the market, or a recommendation from legal council that a product listing be maintained are but two of the many potential reasons why essentially outdated information may still be maintained in the PDR.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ecbt.org/0603textonly.html
">http://www.ecbt.org/0603textonly.html
</a>
Pediatric Neurologist comments on Vaccine Reactions"

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.eaglefoundation.net/Kinsbourne.htm
">http://www.eaglefoundation.net/Kinsbourne.htm
</a>
I believe this info came from one of the congressional hearings.

CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS:

FACA: CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND VACCINE DEVELOPMENT--PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:73042.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:73042.wais
</a>
VACCINES--FINDING THE BALANCE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PERSONAL CHOICE

Mr. Cummings. Have there been any published peer review studies that show a link between hepatitis B vaccine and conditions such as multiple sclerosis and SIDS? Dr. Orenstein. There have been case reports that have suggested that this is a possibility, and that's why we are doing more comprehensive research. The people who are developing these illnesses after vaccination have very, very severe illnesses; there's no question that these are terrible tragedies. The problem is that there are people who develop these same kinds of tragedies, these same kinds of illnesses in the absence of vaccination. And that's why we're engaged, we and others are engaged in substantial research to try and see whether the vaccine increases the risk over what would be expected.

Scroll down to almost the bottom of the page & look for these statements:

STATEMENTS OF RONALD C. KENNEDY, PROFESSOR, DEPARTMENT OF MICROBIOLOGY AND IMMUNOLOGY, UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER; SAMUEL L. KATZ, PROFESSOR EMERITUS, DEPARTMENT OF PEDIATRICS, DUKE UNIVERSITY MEDICAL CENTER; AND MARCEL KINSBOURNE, PEDIATRIC NEUROLOGIST

HEPATITIS B VACCINE: HELPING OR HURTING PUBLIC HEALTH?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:63308.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:63308.wais
</a>
MERCURY IN MEDICINE--ARE WE TAKING UNNECESSARY RISKS?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:72722.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:72722.wais
</a>
VACCINES--FINDING THE BALANCE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PERSONAL CHOICE

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:62560.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:62560.wais
</a>
COMPENSATING VACCINE INJURIES: ARE REFORMS NEEDED?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:66079.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:66079.wais
</a>
Trends in Deaths Caused by Infectious Diseases in the United States, 1900 - 1994

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/emergplan/box01.htm
">http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/emergplan/box01.htm
</a>
You can look up VICP cases here:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/osm.htm
">http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/osm.htm
</a>
Wonder why the respondent's want to keep info under wraps if they don't have anything to hide.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/A...sm%20Update.pdf
">http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/A...sm%20Update.pdf
</a>
Workshop on neurologic complications of pertussis and pertussis vaccination.

1. Vaccines are not standardized between manufacturers.

2. For a given manufacturer, vaccines are not standard from one batch to the next.

3. Unless the vaccine is properly prepared and refrigerated, its potency and reactivity varies with shelf life.

In fact, the whole question of vaccine detoxification has never been systematically investigated.

Listed in order of increasing severity, observed adverse reactions include irritability, persistent, unusually high pitched crying, somnolence, seizures, a shock-like "hypotensive, hyporesponsive" state, and an encephalopathy. Since the neurologic picture is not specific for pertussis vaccination, its temporal relationship to the vaccination is the critical variable for determining causation. Although the majority of seizures following pertussis vaccination are associated with fever, it was the consensus of the neurologists attending the workshop, that these do not represent febrile convulsions, but are non-benign convulsions.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Sudden Infant Death Syndrome -- United States, 1983-1994

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00043987.htm
">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00043987.htm
</a>
RECALLS AND FIELD CORRECTIONS: BIOLOGICS -- CLASS II PRODUCT Platelets. Recall #B-441-2. CODE Unit #90028. MANUFACTURER Memorial Blood Center of Minneapolis, Minneapolis, Minnesota. RECALLED BY Manufacturer, by telephone June 1, 1992. Firm-initiated recall complete. DISTRIBUTION Minnesota. QUANTITY 1 unit. REASON Blood product, which tested repeatedly reactive for the antibody to hepatitis B core antigen (anti-HBC), was distributed for transfusion.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ENFORCE/ENF00175.html
">http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ENFORCE/ENF00175.html
</a>
Conflicts of Interest in Vaccine Policy Making
Majority Staff Report
Committee on Government Reform
U.S. House of Representatives
June 15, 2000

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html
">http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html
</a>
Reconstituted vaccines may become contaminated with staphylococcus and other organisms from improper handling. Once this happens, a chemical called a toxin is produced that may be deadly if injected.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.who.int/vaccines-access/...handlingeng.pdf
">http://www.who.int/vaccines-access/...handlingeng.pdf
</a>
FLUMIST MEETING

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac...s/3912t1-01.pdf
">http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac...s/3912t1-01.pdf
</a>
Dangerous Prescription

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...views/rich.html
">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...views/rich.html
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...s/prescription/
">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...s/prescription/
</a>
Typing of human enteroviruses by partial sequencing of VP1.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=99221739
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=99221739
</a>
Calling the Shots: Immunization Finance Policies and Practices (2000)
Institute of Medicine

WOW, this site compares vaccines used 1985 vs. 2000 vs. what they expect to be in use by
2020

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://books.nap.edu/books/03090702...58.html#pagetop
">http://books.nap.edu/books/03090702...58.html#pagetop
</a>History of the vaccine schedule:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Increased levels of active pertussis toxin may aid a pertussis vaccine to pass the mouse body weight gain test.

(my son failed this test)

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
</a>
TB STATS, see how it's declined without widespread vaccination. This may answer the question, what will happen if we stop vaccinating...

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/tb/surv/s.../pdf/T6and7.pdf
">http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/tb/surv/s.../pdf/T6and7.pdf
</a>
FAST STATS:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/Default.htm
">http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/Default.htm
</a>
Death after vaccine, unable to explain cause

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/human/p...us/851903en.pdf
">http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/human/p...us/851903en.pdf
</a>
Rotavirus Vaccine (they forgot to mention the 1-3 deaths that occurred after vaccination)

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cach...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
">http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cach...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
</a>
Weighing the risks and benefits of vaccination.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
</a>
*************************************
Let's look at vaccine schedules, then and now:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Vaccine Schedule
In the early 1950s, there were four vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and smallpox. Because three of these vaccines were combined into a single shot (DTP), children received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.

By the mid-1980s, there were seven vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella and polio. Because six of these vaccines were combined into two shots (DTP and MMR), and one, the polio vaccine, was given by mouth, children still received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.

Since the mid-1980s, many vaccines have been added to the schedule. Hib vaccine was added in the late-1980s. In the 1990s, hepatitis B and varicella vaccines were added and the polio vaccine shot (IPV) replaced the oral polio vaccine (OPV). In the year 2000, the pneumococcal vaccine was added. Now, children could receive as many as 20 shots by 2 years of age and five shots in a single visit!

(Dec of 2002, a 5 in 1 combo shot was licensed, Pediarix. Should a child have a reaction, it will be virtually impossible to determine which of the 5 were the cause.)

And more vaccines are to come. By 2005, it is likely that children will also be recommended to receive a meningococcal vaccine, the influenza vaccine and the hepatitis A vaccine, all given as shots.
 

wanderlost

New member
ah, who cares, this is good info for other mommas too!

I copied this from the resource page in the vaccination forum at Mothering.com, but it some of the info that I have used to make my decisions. Breastfeeding is really what I am doing at this point to be as proactive as I can. Obviously hand washing is very important too.


Here's a resource page I've put together, edited a bit to avoid copyright violations...

Optimization of vaccine responses in early life: the role of delivery systems and immunomodulators.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Supporting Children's Health
by Philip Incao, M.D.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.goodlight.net/vacexpert/suportng.htm
">http://www.goodlight.net/vacexpert/suportng.htm
</a>
This expert has also stated that in his experience of treating vaxed and unvaxed children, (for over 20 years) the unvaxed are healthier.

Virus-induced autoimmunity may play a causal role in autism

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...3&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...3&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Personally, I think a lot of the auto immune problems our children are suffering from today are vaccine induced.

Puzzling associations between childhood infections and the later occurrence of asthma and

There are data to suggest that measles, hepatitis A, and Mycobacterium tuberculosis infection in early life may prevent the subsequent development of atopic diseases.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Unlike hepatitis B and hepatitis C, hepatitis A causes no long-term liver damage and usually does not cause death. There is no chronic carrier state with hepatitis A. Having had the disease produces lifelong immunity from future hepatitis A infection.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.hepatitisresources-calif.org/hepa/
">http://www.hepatitisresources-calif.org/hepa/
</a>
Increased susceptibility to measles in infants in the United States.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Hepatitis B virus transmission between children in day care.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Duration of hepatitis B immunity in low risk children receiving hepatitis B vaccinations from birth.


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
</a>
How safe is the Hep B vaccine?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Pertussis resurgence in Canada largely caused by a cohort effect.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
</a>
VACCINE EXCIPIENT & MEDIA SUMMARY


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications...A/Excipient.pdf
">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications...A/Excipient.pdf
</a>
Comparison of tissue reactions produced by Haemophilus pleuropneumoniae vaccines made with six different adjuvants in swine.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...0&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...0&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Based on the growing number of children allergic to peanuts, I tried to find out if any type of peanut oil was used in the vaccines. From what I could find, it may be used in vaccines for animals, but I have not yet found conclusive evidence that it's used in vaccines for people. This is something I am still interested in getting to the bottom of.

Task Force on Safer Childhood Vaccines: Final Report and Recommendations

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publicatio...e/safervacc.htm
">http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publicatio...e/safervacc.htm
</a>
Because the PDR was originally developed as a promotional device, there is no mechanism by which all clinically relevant dose-response data or important postrelease discoveries are regularly and rapidly incorporated into it.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Epidemiology. 1997 Nov;8(6):678-80
Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?

Kemp T, Pearce N, Fitzharris P, Crane J, Fergusson D, St George I, Wickens K, Beasley R.

Department of Medicine, Wellington School of Medicine, New Zealand.

The Christchurch Health and Development Study comprises 1,265 children born in 1977. The 23 children who received no diphtheria/pertussis/tetanus (DPT) and polio immunizations had no recorded asthma episodes or consultations for asthma or other allergic illness before age 10 years; in the immunized children, 23.1% had asthma episodes, 22.5% asthma consultations, and 30.0% consultations for other allergic illness. Similar differences were observed at ages 5 and 16 years. These findings do not appear to be due to differential use of health services (although this possibility cannot be excluded) or con-founding by ethnicity, socioeconomic status, parental atopy, or parental smoking.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...9&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...9&dopt=Abstract
</a>
..."Part of the premise for Representative Burton's press release was his statement that the 2003 Physicians Desk Reference (PDR) showed that there are three vaccine manufacturers who are still making childhood vaccines with full doses {his term} of thimerosal. Specifically, his press release of May 1, 2003 stated:

"The 2003 Physicians' Desk Reference shows that there are three vaccine manufacturers who are still making childhood vaccines with full doses of thimerosal. These are as follows: the Diphtheria-Tetanus-acellular-Pertussis (DTaP) manufactured by Aventis-Pasteur in multi-dose vials contains 25 micrograms of mercury; the Haemophilus-influenza-Type b (Hib TITER) in multi-dose vials manufactured by Wyeth contains 25 micrograms of mercury; and the pediatric hepatitis B vaccine manufactured by Merck contains 12.5 micrograms of mercury. These vaccines represent approximately half of the childhood vaccines currently available for use in the United States."


Were thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines still listed in the 2003 PDR and did that mean that they were still available in the marketplace?

In an effort to better understand how a vaccine could be listed in the most current PDR showing that it contains thimerosal when it is no longer manufactured as such, we contacted PDR directly and asked how the information in their reference books is kept current.

The PDR is published yearly by Thomson Healthcare in Montvale, NJ. Manufacturers pay to have their products listed in the PDR and a free copy of the PDR is distributed to office-based physicians.


Manufacturers can decide at any time to discontinue production, however, once a manufacturer makes such a decision it is not uncommon for them to keep the information in the PDR for at least a couple of years. The reasons for doing this are varied. Having unexpired product still available in the market, or a recommendation from legal council that a product listing be maintained are but two of the many potential reasons why essentially outdated information may still be maintained in the PDR.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ecbt.org/0603textonly.html
">http://www.ecbt.org/0603textonly.html
</a>
Pediatric Neurologist comments on Vaccine Reactions"

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.eaglefoundation.net/Kinsbourne.htm
">http://www.eaglefoundation.net/Kinsbourne.htm
</a>
I believe this info came from one of the congressional hearings.

CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS:

FACA: CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND VACCINE DEVELOPMENT--PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:73042.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:73042.wais
</a>
VACCINES--FINDING THE BALANCE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PERSONAL CHOICE

Mr. Cummings. Have there been any published peer review studies that show a link between hepatitis B vaccine and conditions such as multiple sclerosis and SIDS? Dr. Orenstein. There have been case reports that have suggested that this is a possibility, and that's why we are doing more comprehensive research. The people who are developing these illnesses after vaccination have very, very severe illnesses; there's no question that these are terrible tragedies. The problem is that there are people who develop these same kinds of tragedies, these same kinds of illnesses in the absence of vaccination. And that's why we're engaged, we and others are engaged in substantial research to try and see whether the vaccine increases the risk over what would be expected.

Scroll down to almost the bottom of the page & look for these statements:

STATEMENTS OF RONALD C. KENNEDY, PROFESSOR, DEPARTMENT OF MICROBIOLOGY AND IMMUNOLOGY, UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER; SAMUEL L. KATZ, PROFESSOR EMERITUS, DEPARTMENT OF PEDIATRICS, DUKE UNIVERSITY MEDICAL CENTER; AND MARCEL KINSBOURNE, PEDIATRIC NEUROLOGIST

HEPATITIS B VACCINE: HELPING OR HURTING PUBLIC HEALTH?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:63308.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:63308.wais
</a>
MERCURY IN MEDICINE--ARE WE TAKING UNNECESSARY RISKS?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:72722.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:72722.wais
</a>
VACCINES--FINDING THE BALANCE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PERSONAL CHOICE

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:62560.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:62560.wais
</a>
COMPENSATING VACCINE INJURIES: ARE REFORMS NEEDED?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:66079.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:66079.wais
</a>
Trends in Deaths Caused by Infectious Diseases in the United States, 1900 - 1994

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/emergplan/box01.htm
">http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/emergplan/box01.htm
</a>
You can look up VICP cases here:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/osm.htm
">http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/osm.htm
</a>
Wonder why the respondent's want to keep info under wraps if they don't have anything to hide.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/A...sm%20Update.pdf
">http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/A...sm%20Update.pdf
</a>
Workshop on neurologic complications of pertussis and pertussis vaccination.

1. Vaccines are not standardized between manufacturers.

2. For a given manufacturer, vaccines are not standard from one batch to the next.

3. Unless the vaccine is properly prepared and refrigerated, its potency and reactivity varies with shelf life.

In fact, the whole question of vaccine detoxification has never been systematically investigated.

Listed in order of increasing severity, observed adverse reactions include irritability, persistent, unusually high pitched crying, somnolence, seizures, a shock-like "hypotensive, hyporesponsive" state, and an encephalopathy. Since the neurologic picture is not specific for pertussis vaccination, its temporal relationship to the vaccination is the critical variable for determining causation. Although the majority of seizures following pertussis vaccination are associated with fever, it was the consensus of the neurologists attending the workshop, that these do not represent febrile convulsions, but are non-benign convulsions.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Sudden Infant Death Syndrome -- United States, 1983-1994

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00043987.htm
">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00043987.htm
</a>
RECALLS AND FIELD CORRECTIONS: BIOLOGICS -- CLASS II PRODUCT Platelets. Recall #B-441-2. CODE Unit #90028. MANUFACTURER Memorial Blood Center of Minneapolis, Minneapolis, Minnesota. RECALLED BY Manufacturer, by telephone June 1, 1992. Firm-initiated recall complete. DISTRIBUTION Minnesota. QUANTITY 1 unit. REASON Blood product, which tested repeatedly reactive for the antibody to hepatitis B core antigen (anti-HBC), was distributed for transfusion.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ENFORCE/ENF00175.html
">http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ENFORCE/ENF00175.html
</a>
Conflicts of Interest in Vaccine Policy Making
Majority Staff Report
Committee on Government Reform
U.S. House of Representatives
June 15, 2000

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html
">http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html
</a>
Reconstituted vaccines may become contaminated with staphylococcus and other organisms from improper handling. Once this happens, a chemical called a toxin is produced that may be deadly if injected.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.who.int/vaccines-access/...handlingeng.pdf
">http://www.who.int/vaccines-access/...handlingeng.pdf
</a>
FLUMIST MEETING

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac...s/3912t1-01.pdf
">http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac...s/3912t1-01.pdf
</a>
Dangerous Prescription

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...views/rich.html
">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...views/rich.html
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...s/prescription/
">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...s/prescription/
</a>
Typing of human enteroviruses by partial sequencing of VP1.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=99221739
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=99221739
</a>
Calling the Shots: Immunization Finance Policies and Practices (2000)
Institute of Medicine

WOW, this site compares vaccines used 1985 vs. 2000 vs. what they expect to be in use by
2020

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://books.nap.edu/books/03090702...58.html#pagetop
">http://books.nap.edu/books/03090702...58.html#pagetop
</a>History of the vaccine schedule:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Increased levels of active pertussis toxin may aid a pertussis vaccine to pass the mouse body weight gain test.

(my son failed this test)

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
</a>
TB STATS, see how it's declined without widespread vaccination. This may answer the question, what will happen if we stop vaccinating...

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/tb/surv/s.../pdf/T6and7.pdf
">http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/tb/surv/s.../pdf/T6and7.pdf
</a>
FAST STATS:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/Default.htm
">http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/Default.htm
</a>
Death after vaccine, unable to explain cause

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/human/p...us/851903en.pdf
">http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/human/p...us/851903en.pdf
</a>
Rotavirus Vaccine (they forgot to mention the 1-3 deaths that occurred after vaccination)

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cach...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
">http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cach...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
</a>
Weighing the risks and benefits of vaccination.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
</a>
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Let's look at vaccine schedules, then and now:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Vaccine Schedule
In the early 1950s, there were four vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and smallpox. Because three of these vaccines were combined into a single shot (DTP), children received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.

By the mid-1980s, there were seven vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella and polio. Because six of these vaccines were combined into two shots (DTP and MMR), and one, the polio vaccine, was given by mouth, children still received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.

Since the mid-1980s, many vaccines have been added to the schedule. Hib vaccine was added in the late-1980s. In the 1990s, hepatitis B and varicella vaccines were added and the polio vaccine shot (IPV) replaced the oral polio vaccine (OPV). In the year 2000, the pneumococcal vaccine was added. Now, children could receive as many as 20 shots by 2 years of age and five shots in a single visit!

(Dec of 2002, a 5 in 1 combo shot was licensed, Pediarix. Should a child have a reaction, it will be virtually impossible to determine which of the 5 were the cause.)

And more vaccines are to come. By 2005, it is likely that children will also be recommended to receive a meningococcal vaccine, the influenza vaccine and the hepatitis A vaccine, all given as shots.
 

wanderlost

New member
ah, who cares, this is good info for other mommas too!

I copied this from the resource page in the vaccination forum at Mothering.com, but it some of the info that I have used to make my decisions. Breastfeeding is really what I am doing at this point to be as proactive as I can. Obviously hand washing is very important too.


Here's a resource page I've put together, edited a bit to avoid copyright violations...

Optimization of vaccine responses in early life: the role of delivery systems and immunomodulators.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Supporting Children's Health
by Philip Incao, M.D.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.goodlight.net/vacexpert/suportng.htm
">http://www.goodlight.net/vacexpert/suportng.htm
</a>
This expert has also stated that in his experience of treating vaxed and unvaxed children, (for over 20 years) the unvaxed are healthier.

Virus-induced autoimmunity may play a causal role in autism

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...3&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...3&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Personally, I think a lot of the auto immune problems our children are suffering from today are vaccine induced.

Puzzling associations between childhood infections and the later occurrence of asthma and

There are data to suggest that measles, hepatitis A, and Mycobacterium tuberculosis infection in early life may prevent the subsequent development of atopic diseases.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Unlike hepatitis B and hepatitis C, hepatitis A causes no long-term liver damage and usually does not cause death. There is no chronic carrier state with hepatitis A. Having had the disease produces lifelong immunity from future hepatitis A infection.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.hepatitisresources-calif.org/hepa/
">http://www.hepatitisresources-calif.org/hepa/
</a>
Increased susceptibility to measles in infants in the United States.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Hepatitis B virus transmission between children in day care.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Duration of hepatitis B immunity in low risk children receiving hepatitis B vaccinations from birth.


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
</a>
How safe is the Hep B vaccine?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
</a>
Pertussis resurgence in Canada largely caused by a cohort effect.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract
</a>
VACCINE EXCIPIENT & MEDIA SUMMARY


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications...A/Excipient.pdf
">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications...A/Excipient.pdf
</a>
Comparison of tissue reactions produced by Haemophilus pleuropneumoniae vaccines made with six different adjuvants in swine.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...0&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...0&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Based on the growing number of children allergic to peanuts, I tried to find out if any type of peanut oil was used in the vaccines. From what I could find, it may be used in vaccines for animals, but I have not yet found conclusive evidence that it's used in vaccines for people. This is something I am still interested in getting to the bottom of.

Task Force on Safer Childhood Vaccines: Final Report and Recommendations

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publicatio...e/safervacc.htm
">http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publicatio...e/safervacc.htm
</a>
Because the PDR was originally developed as a promotional device, there is no mechanism by which all clinically relevant dose-response data or important postrelease discoveries are regularly and rapidly incorporated into it.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
</a>
Epidemiology. 1997 Nov;8(6):678-80
Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?

Kemp T, Pearce N, Fitzharris P, Crane J, Fergusson D, St George I, Wickens K, Beasley R.

Department of Medicine, Wellington School of Medicine, New Zealand.

The Christchurch Health and Development Study comprises 1,265 children born in 1977. The 23 children who received no diphtheria/pertussis/tetanus (DPT) and polio immunizations had no recorded asthma episodes or consultations for asthma or other allergic illness before age 10 years; in the immunized children, 23.1% had asthma episodes, 22.5% asthma consultations, and 30.0% consultations for other allergic illness. Similar differences were observed at ages 5 and 16 years. These findings do not appear to be due to differential use of health services (although this possibility cannot be excluded) or con-founding by ethnicity, socioeconomic status, parental atopy, or parental smoking.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...9&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...9&dopt=Abstract
</a>
..."Part of the premise for Representative Burton's press release was his statement that the 2003 Physicians Desk Reference (PDR) showed that there are three vaccine manufacturers who are still making childhood vaccines with full doses {his term} of thimerosal. Specifically, his press release of May 1, 2003 stated:

"The 2003 Physicians' Desk Reference shows that there are three vaccine manufacturers who are still making childhood vaccines with full doses of thimerosal. These are as follows: the Diphtheria-Tetanus-acellular-Pertussis (DTaP) manufactured by Aventis-Pasteur in multi-dose vials contains 25 micrograms of mercury; the Haemophilus-influenza-Type b (Hib TITER) in multi-dose vials manufactured by Wyeth contains 25 micrograms of mercury; and the pediatric hepatitis B vaccine manufactured by Merck contains 12.5 micrograms of mercury. These vaccines represent approximately half of the childhood vaccines currently available for use in the United States."


Were thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines still listed in the 2003 PDR and did that mean that they were still available in the marketplace?

In an effort to better understand how a vaccine could be listed in the most current PDR showing that it contains thimerosal when it is no longer manufactured as such, we contacted PDR directly and asked how the information in their reference books is kept current.

The PDR is published yearly by Thomson Healthcare in Montvale, NJ. Manufacturers pay to have their products listed in the PDR and a free copy of the PDR is distributed to office-based physicians.


Manufacturers can decide at any time to discontinue production, however, once a manufacturer makes such a decision it is not uncommon for them to keep the information in the PDR for at least a couple of years. The reasons for doing this are varied. Having unexpired product still available in the market, or a recommendation from legal council that a product listing be maintained are but two of the many potential reasons why essentially outdated information may still be maintained in the PDR.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ecbt.org/0603textonly.html
">http://www.ecbt.org/0603textonly.html
</a>
Pediatric Neurologist comments on Vaccine Reactions"

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.eaglefoundation.net/Kinsbourne.htm
">http://www.eaglefoundation.net/Kinsbourne.htm
</a>
I believe this info came from one of the congressional hearings.

CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS:

FACA: CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND VACCINE DEVELOPMENT--PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:73042.wais
">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:73042.wais
</a>
VACCINES--FINDING THE BALANCE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PERSONAL CHOICE

Mr. Cummings. Have there been any published peer review studies that show a link between hepatitis B vaccine and conditions such as multiple sclerosis and SIDS? Dr. Orenstein. There have been case reports that have suggested that this is a possibility, and that's why we are doing more comprehensive research. The people who are developing these illnesses after vaccination have very, very severe illnesses; there's no question that these are terrible tragedies. The problem is that there are people who develop these same kinds of tragedies, these same kinds of illnesses in the absence of vaccination. And that's why we're engaged, we and others are engaged in substantial research to try and see whether the vaccine increases the risk over what would be expected.

Scroll down to almost the bottom of the page & look for these statements:

STATEMENTS OF RONALD C. KENNEDY, PROFESSOR, DEPARTMENT OF MICROBIOLOGY AND IMMUNOLOGY, UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER; SAMUEL L. KATZ, PROFESSOR EMERITUS, DEPARTMENT OF PEDIATRICS, DUKE UNIVERSITY MEDICAL CENTER; AND MARCEL KINSBOURNE, PEDIATRIC NEUROLOGIST

HEPATITIS B VACCINE: HELPING OR HURTING PUBLIC HEALTH?

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">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:63308.wais
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MERCURY IN MEDICINE--ARE WE TAKING UNNECESSARY RISKS?

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">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:72722.wais
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VACCINES--FINDING THE BALANCE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PERSONAL CHOICE

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">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:62560.wais
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COMPENSATING VACCINE INJURIES: ARE REFORMS NEEDED?

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">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...id=f:66079.wais
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Trends in Deaths Caused by Infectious Diseases in the United States, 1900 - 1994

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">http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/emergplan/box01.htm
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You can look up VICP cases here:

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">http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/osm.htm
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Wonder why the respondent's want to keep info under wraps if they don't have anything to hide.

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">http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/OSM/A...sm%20Update.pdf
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Workshop on neurologic complications of pertussis and pertussis vaccination.

1. Vaccines are not standardized between manufacturers.

2. For a given manufacturer, vaccines are not standard from one batch to the next.

3. Unless the vaccine is properly prepared and refrigerated, its potency and reactivity varies with shelf life.

In fact, the whole question of vaccine detoxification has never been systematically investigated.

Listed in order of increasing severity, observed adverse reactions include irritability, persistent, unusually high pitched crying, somnolence, seizures, a shock-like "hypotensive, hyporesponsive" state, and an encephalopathy. Since the neurologic picture is not specific for pertussis vaccination, its temporal relationship to the vaccination is the critical variable for determining causation. Although the majority of seizures following pertussis vaccination are associated with fever, it was the consensus of the neurologists attending the workshop, that these do not represent febrile convulsions, but are non-benign convulsions.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1&dopt=Abstract
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Sudden Infant Death Syndrome -- United States, 1983-1994

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">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00043987.htm
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RECALLS AND FIELD CORRECTIONS: BIOLOGICS -- CLASS II PRODUCT Platelets. Recall #B-441-2. CODE Unit #90028. MANUFACTURER Memorial Blood Center of Minneapolis, Minneapolis, Minnesota. RECALLED BY Manufacturer, by telephone June 1, 1992. Firm-initiated recall complete. DISTRIBUTION Minnesota. QUANTITY 1 unit. REASON Blood product, which tested repeatedly reactive for the antibody to hepatitis B core antigen (anti-HBC), was distributed for transfusion.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ENFORCE/ENF00175.html
">http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ENFORCE/ENF00175.html
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Conflicts of Interest in Vaccine Policy Making
Majority Staff Report
Committee on Government Reform
U.S. House of Representatives
June 15, 2000

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">http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html
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Reconstituted vaccines may become contaminated with staphylococcus and other organisms from improper handling. Once this happens, a chemical called a toxin is produced that may be deadly if injected.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.who.int/vaccines-access/...handlingeng.pdf
">http://www.who.int/vaccines-access/...handlingeng.pdf
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FLUMIST MEETING

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">http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac...s/3912t1-01.pdf
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Dangerous Prescription

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">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...views/rich.html
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<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...s/prescription/
">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...s/prescription/
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Typing of human enteroviruses by partial sequencing of VP1.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=99221739
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=99221739
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Calling the Shots: Immunization Finance Policies and Practices (2000)
Institute of Medicine

WOW, this site compares vaccines used 1985 vs. 2000 vs. what they expect to be in use by
2020

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://books.nap.edu/books/03090702...58.html#pagetop
">http://books.nap.edu/books/03090702...58.html#pagetop
</a>History of the vaccine schedule:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
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Increased levels of active pertussis toxin may aid a pertussis vaccine to pass the mouse body weight gain test.

(my son failed this test)

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract
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TB STATS, see how it's declined without widespread vaccination. This may answer the question, what will happen if we stop vaccinating...

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/tb/surv/s.../pdf/T6and7.pdf
">http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/tb/surv/s.../pdf/T6and7.pdf
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FAST STATS:

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">http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/Default.htm
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Death after vaccine, unable to explain cause

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">http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/human/p...us/851903en.pdf
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Rotavirus Vaccine (they forgot to mention the 1-3 deaths that occurred after vaccination)

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">http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cach...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
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Weighing the risks and benefits of vaccination.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract
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Let's look at vaccine schedules, then and now:

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">http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/di...ic.jsp?id=75700
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Vaccine Schedule
In the early 1950s, there were four vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and smallpox. Because three of these vaccines were combined into a single shot (DTP), children received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.

By the mid-1980s, there were seven vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella and polio. Because six of these vaccines were combined into two shots (DTP and MMR), and one, the polio vaccine, was given by mouth, children still received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.

Since the mid-1980s, many vaccines have been added to the schedule. Hib vaccine was added in the late-1980s. In the 1990s, hepatitis B and varicella vaccines were added and the polio vaccine shot (IPV) replaced the oral polio vaccine (OPV). In the year 2000, the pneumococcal vaccine was added. Now, children could receive as many as 20 shots by 2 years of age and five shots in a single visit!

(Dec of 2002, a 5 in 1 combo shot was licensed, Pediarix. Should a child have a reaction, it will be virtually impossible to determine which of the 5 were the cause.)

And more vaccines are to come. By 2005, it is likely that children will also be recommended to receive a meningococcal vaccine, the influenza vaccine and the hepatitis A vaccine, all given as shots.
 

wanderlost

New member
That's just the tip of the iceberg - I can add more, but honestly you can find just as much pro-vaccine data as well. I believe vacines are socially important. Polio was a horrible disease eradicated by vaccines. We don't want diseases like that to make a resurgence (and polio is still around though there have been no cases in the Western hemisphere in a long time). However, I also think that vaccines have gone overboard. There were 6 vaccines my baby was expected to get at her 2 mo well baby check up. 6 of them. That is ridiculous to me. I think the government knows there will be some fatalities and horribly adverse reactions to the vaccines but for the greater good of society they down play this and advocate vaccines for all. There is a reporting system for adverse effects <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://vaers.hhs.gov/">http://vaers.hhs.gov/</a> and compensation set aside for such effects (in recent news the first autism cases are up in court regarding thirmesol (sp) which is not supposed to be in vaccines any longer - but with autims rates increasing, can that be the only vaccine related cause?). I think the main thing that keeps me from vaccinating right now is the fact that all these parents who report on autism related to vaccines say their child was normal until they had such and such vax and then they were normal no longer. My son is fully vaxed (but will not be getting any boosters) and seems just fine and dnady and I would guess my daughter would handle the shots just fine if and when i ever chose to get them (there is a lot to be said for simply delaying vaccinations and then doing them one at a time), but I am not ready to take the chances yet. At this point, the vaccines scare me more than the disease. I think when you chose not to vaccinate you do have to realize your child might get measles, mumps, rubless, meningitis, hepatitis, hpv, polio, diptheria, pertusis, etc.

enough soapbox. If you have any more questions, let me know.

and do investigate the hep B vax before you get the next round, that one scares me a great deal.
 

wanderlost

New member
That's just the tip of the iceberg - I can add more, but honestly you can find just as much pro-vaccine data as well. I believe vacines are socially important. Polio was a horrible disease eradicated by vaccines. We don't want diseases like that to make a resurgence (and polio is still around though there have been no cases in the Western hemisphere in a long time). However, I also think that vaccines have gone overboard. There were 6 vaccines my baby was expected to get at her 2 mo well baby check up. 6 of them. That is ridiculous to me. I think the government knows there will be some fatalities and horribly adverse reactions to the vaccines but for the greater good of society they down play this and advocate vaccines for all. There is a reporting system for adverse effects <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://vaers.hhs.gov/">http://vaers.hhs.gov/</a> and compensation set aside for such effects (in recent news the first autism cases are up in court regarding thirmesol (sp) which is not supposed to be in vaccines any longer - but with autims rates increasing, can that be the only vaccine related cause?). I think the main thing that keeps me from vaccinating right now is the fact that all these parents who report on autism related to vaccines say their child was normal until they had such and such vax and then they were normal no longer. My son is fully vaxed (but will not be getting any boosters) and seems just fine and dnady and I would guess my daughter would handle the shots just fine if and when i ever chose to get them (there is a lot to be said for simply delaying vaccinations and then doing them one at a time), but I am not ready to take the chances yet. At this point, the vaccines scare me more than the disease. I think when you chose not to vaccinate you do have to realize your child might get measles, mumps, rubless, meningitis, hepatitis, hpv, polio, diptheria, pertusis, etc.

enough soapbox. If you have any more questions, let me know.

and do investigate the hep B vax before you get the next round, that one scares me a great deal.
 
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