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vests and scientific proof

welshgirl

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i have read all posts about "the vest" with interest since joining the forum. I WANT ONE !!! the nhs does not provide them on costs alone , i'm sure of that.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif" border="0"> is there any scientific proof that they are really and truly beneficial to cfers? if i can find some proof i'm thinking of suing the nhs . people do that all the time here for drugs of some sort or other that the nhs won't supply ( it always comes down to costs) i feel joe should have one and my husband and i and my parents and my parents, parents have paid a lot of money into the nhs over the years . excuse my little rant!!!!!! i would be grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction. thanks<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 
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NoExcuses

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Candice is correct! The proof is undeniable.

Socialized medicine isn't the utopia many here in the US want to see it as....
 

welshgirl

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thankyou candice<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> if anyone knows anymore i would be forever grateful<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
 

2005CFmom

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<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.thevest.com/research/bib.asp?tab=3&gs=patients
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This is a link to the vest company website that abstracts various studies. Good Luck!
 

Ender

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>amy</b></i>

Candice is correct! The proof is undeniable.



Socialized medicine isn't the utopia many here in the US want to see it as....</end quote></div>

I don't get it amy...can you elaborate on that.

Also, i saw that a session yields like 3cc's of phlegm in a treatment. Doesn't that seem low? Is it for people that never cough? I can get that much up just in a normal cough. And when i run, i can get soooo much more. It just seems so minimal for a 30 min treatment? Go run for 30 mins, and then see how much you cough after (or puke up hahha)

Kiel
 

NoExcuses

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Proof of how well the vest works is undeniable.

Why is socialized medicine not the utopia that many Americans think it is? Let me give you some background. We have debates in this country often about whether the US should go the European/Canadian/Austrialian/rest of the world way of socialized medicine. People say we'll get better healthcare that way, etc.

Coverage of the Vest is a perfect example as to why socialized medicine isn't the utopia that many Americans think that it is. You all have to pay cash for it. Everyone in the US has access to one if you have health insurance (may have to pay a few thousand, but not $20 or 30 g's that socialized med countries do) or if you're super poor is disabled, the government will pay for it at almost 100%.

There are countless other examples as to why you get what you pay for in terms of medical care. CFers, and other Americans, need to understand the pit-falls of socialized medicine.
 

welshgirl

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i don't like anyone critisising our nhs. the idea behind it is sound . we are a democracy and nothing like socialists in any way shape or form.!!!!! it has faults but on the whole any british subject can go from cradle to grave knowing that if you get ill you will be taken care of. i can't comment upon the health service in the usa because i don't know enough about it but i would still rather be british when it comes to healthcare<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> despite threatening to sue the nhs. LOL
 

welshgirl

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thankyou teri. that was helpful . now all i have to do is try and send the info to another computer 'cos my printer is us. a little job for my husband i think!!!!!<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
 

LouLou

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I've had my Vest 103 for 9 years. All I had to do was tell my insurance that I am being forced to not use it sometimes due to travel (weighs too much for me to travel with) for them to approve that I get the smaller more portable version. If there wasn't proof that it keeps people out of the hospital, then insurance wouldn't cover it.
 

welshgirl

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thats exactly what i thought<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> 'cos usually insurance firms will do anything to NOT pay out.
 

LouLou

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Janet, You are correct. In fact, many of the insurance giants in the states do their own research focusing on if a certain type of care will save them money. If you do end up sueing your socialized medical group maybe you could get your hands on some of this data somehow. It's quite simple. Use of the Vest at home reduces days in the hospital by X number of days. I haven't looked at the Vest site's research section - maybe they mention it.

I really hope you get it for Joe. I started to have a chronic cough at around the age of 12 and wish I had had an option like the Vest back then that allowed me to be independent but still clear my lungs. Unfortunately I feel my independence won out for good or bad I really don't have regrets. I even 'tricked' doctors into believing that if I played enough soccer I shouldn't have to do an pt. Let's face it what 8 year old wants to sit around having mommy or daddy pounding on them?! It unfortunately is likely to only become more of struggle as he naturally, and healthily wants to spread his wings!
 

Ender

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>amy</b></i>

Proof of how well the vest works is undeniable.



Why is socialized medicine not the utopia that many Americans think it is? Let me give you some background. We have debates in this country often about whether the US should go the European/Canadian/Austrialian/rest of the world way of socialized medicine. People say we'll get better healthcare that way, etc.



Coverage of the Vest is a perfect example as to why socialized medicine isn't the utopia that many Americans think that it is. You all have to pay cash for it. Everyone in the US has access to one if you have health insurance (may have to pay a few thousand, but not $20 or 30 g's that socialized med countries do) or if you're super poor is disabled, the government will pay for it at almost 100%.



There are countless other examples as to why you get what you pay for in terms of medical care. CFers, and other Americans, need to understand the pit-falls of socialized medicine.</end quote></div>

Amy, proof of how all the cf devices work is undeniable, and there are studies saying that no one device is significantly better than any other.

Now, my hospital here in canada pays for tobra (not tobi) my enzymes, antibiotics, hospital fees, etc. If you do not have private insurance, all you have to do is get government insurance, (which everyone can get) and it covers pretty much everything else. If there are some things that are overly expensive (tobi, pulmozyme), all the doctor has to do is write a letter to the government saying that you need it, and you will get it.

If you have a health card, and you get sick, you can always go to the hospital, get treatment, and never have to pay. That goes for surgery, expertise advice (ie dermatologists) cancer treatment etc etc.

I know how you were saying that you guys have a lot of expenses from people that aren't citizens, and it costs you a lot. Well the same goes here. Our hospitals write off millions of dollars from americans that come here and have something happen to them ( a broken arm etc) and never pay the bill. We don't turn people away, we treat them and then hope that they pay us after, which isn't always the case.

That doesn't make me upset. But I think socialized medicine is a godsend. Wht would you do if you had a minimum wage job in the states, and had cancer, or a broken bone, and didn't have insurance. What would happen? Would you get billed for it? I'm not exactly sure of the procedure there, so if you could enlighten me on it that would be great.

I go back to my clinic in a month. I'm gonna ask about the vest, and see if i can get the government insurance to pay for it. We'll see what happens, just out of curiousity.
 

amber682

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In the US they can't deny you service(for a broken bone or
cancer) if you can't pay, but without insurance you will get a
bill. I know they can't turn you away from the emergency room if
you can't pay, but I'm not sure about other types of doctors
offices. 
 

Ender

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>amber682</b></i>

In the US they can't deny you service(for a broken bone or
cancer) if you can't pay, but without insurance you will get a
bill. I know they can't turn you away from the emergency room if
you can't pay, but I'm not sure about other types of doctors
offices. </end quote></div>

And what if you can't pay the bill?
 

NoExcuses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ender</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>amy</b></i>

Wht would you do if you had a minimum wage job in the states, and had cancer, or a broken bone, and didn't have insurance. What would happen? Would you get billed for it? I'm not exactly sure of the procedure there, so if you could enlighten me on it that would be great.
.</end quote></div>

If you have minimum wage, and you meet your state's income requirements, you get something called Medicaid. And everything is paid for.

And if you are in en emergency and go to an ER, you can't be denied care.

There are lots of Canadians, by the way, that come to the States for care because although the government will pay for surgeries, the wait can be prohibative.

Hip replacements, breast reconstruction, and brain surgeries are common procedures that Canadians come to the US for because the wait is up to 2 years.

The laws of economics are never broken. If something is priced below market (in the case of surgery, the price is free), the supply is limited.
 

NoExcuses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ender</b></i>

.</end quote></div>



Amy, proof of how all the cf devices work is undeniable, and there are studies saying that no one device is significantly better than any other.


</end quote></div>


can you show me these studies?
 

welshgirl

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ender, we too have a problem with" health tourists" they come from the caribean visiting "family" when pregnant and stay for months so the baby can be born here , sometimes they know they will have a difficult birth from previous pregnancies, one woman last year did just that and cost us, as a country 1 million pounds. ( she had a history of premature birth) at the moment we have an african woman here demanding a heart transplant at the expence of a british person getting the donated heart. we get rich arabs as well , ridiculous they take us for mugs!!!!!!!
 

welshgirl

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lauren thanks very much for the info. joe is pretty pliable at the moment , i know things will change soon!!!!!!!<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> take care<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
 
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