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Ender

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>amy</b></i>

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Amy, proof of how all the cf devices work is undeniable, and there are studies saying that no one device is significantly better than any other.





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can you show me these studies?</end quote></div>

Arens R, Gozal D, Omlin KJ, Vega J, Boyd KP, Keens TG, Woo MS. Comparison of high-frequency chest compression and conventional chest physiotherapy in hospitalized patients with cystic fibrosis. Am J Respir Crit Care Med 1994;150:1154-7.

A study of 50 cystic fibrosis (CF) patients hospitalized for acute pulmonary exacerbation who were randomized to receive either conventional chest physiotherapy or high-frequency chest compression (HFCC) reveals significant improvements in pulmonary function and clinical status in both groups and no significant differences between the two. The authors speculate that HFCC may provide an adequate alternative in management of patients with CF in a hospital setting

That's one study. There are a bunch like that on the vest research page linked above. However, there are also some that say the vest is a bit better. To me though, it is pretty hazy. And at 20 to 30 thousand dollars....I just don't see the benefit?

Is medicaid the same as HMO? Why is there such an evil bias on HMO's then giving the cheapest care possible?

And no if you aren't insured and go to the er, you won't be turned away, you'll just get a bill for a couple of thousand dollars.

However, i would just like to note that they are implementing in a few provinces clinics where you can get hip replacements and other necassary surgeries faster for a price. They're calling it the two tiered system.

I dunno, i always loved canada for it's medical care, but it sounds like in the states it's just as easy to get coverage, so why doesn't everyone just go private.
 
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NoExcuses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ender</b></i>

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Is medicaid the same as HMO? Why is there such an evil bias on HMO's then giving the cheapest care possible?



And no if you aren't insured and go to the er, you won't be turned away, you'll just get a bill for a couple of thousand dollars.



However, i would just like to note that they are implementing in a few provinces clinics where you can get hip replacements and other necassary surgeries faster for a price. They're calling it the two tiered system.



I dunno, i always loved canada for it's medical care, but it sounds like in the states it's just as easy to get coverage, so why doesn't everyone just go private.</end quote></div>

1. Medicaid is not the same as HMO. Medicaid is 100% completely free and is provided by each of the 50 states. You have to reach a certain income threshold. And they don't even check your citizenship status in many states

2. HMO is a Health maintanance organization. It's one insurance type in addition to a Prefered Provider Organization (PPO), indemnity, etc. HMOs are cheap - their cost to the patient is low. But they incentivize docs to avoid surgeries and avoid hospitalizations. PPO's cost more, but docs don't have the same monitary incentives to control costs.

3. If you can't afford care at the ER, and you have an emergency, you wont' get a bill. This is why so many ER's in Southern California are being shut down. It's federal law that all people must be treated if they show up at the ER - even if you can't pay. So these ER's don't get paid, and they lose money and shut down. We have about 1/2 of the # of ER's in SoCal here in 2006 than we did in 1996.

4. Two-tiered system. The 1st step from moving away from socialized medicine. I love it

5. Why doesn't everyone have private insurance in the US? #1 some people are disabled and can't work. So they have Medicaid. Some elderly people feel ENTITLED to stop working at 60 or 65. So they lose their insurance coverage through work (I think Medicare, which is for people 65 and older, is a SCAM).
 
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JazzysMom

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>amy</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ender</b></i>



Is medicaid the same as HMO? Why is there such an evil bias on HMO's then giving the cheapest care possible?


And no if you aren't insured and go to the er, you won't be turned away, you'll just get a bill for a couple of thousand dollars.


However, i would just like to note that they are implementing in a few provinces clinics where you can get hip replacements and other necassary surgeries faster for a price. They're calling it the two tiered system.







I dunno, i always loved canada for it's medical care, but it sounds like in the states it's just as easy to get coverage, so why doesn't everyone just go private.</end quote></div>



1. Medicaid is not the same as HMO. Medicaid is 100% completely free and is provided by each of the 50 states. You have to reach a certain income threshold. And they don't even check your citizenship status in many states



2. HMO is a Health maintanance organization. It's one insurance type in addition to a Prefered Provider Organization (PPO), indemnity, etc. HMOs are cheap - their cost to the patient is low. But they incentivize docs to avoid surgeries and avoid hospitalizations. PPO's cost more, but docs don't have the same monitary incentives to control costs.



3. If you can't afford care at the ER, and you have an emergency, you wont' get a bill. This is why so many ER's in Southern California are being shut down. It's federal law that all people must be treated if they show up at the ER - even if you can't pay. So these ER's don't get paid, and they lose money and shut down. We have about 1/2 of the # of ER's in SoCal here in 2006 than we did in 1996.



4. Two-tiered system. The 1st step from moving away from socialized medicine. I love it



5. Why doesn't everyone have private insurance in the US? #1 some people are disabled and can't work. So they have Medicaid. Some elderly people feel ENTITLED to stop working at 60 or 65. So they lose their insurance coverage through work (I think Medicare, which is for people 65 and older, is a SCAM).</end quote></div>


I dont know if this is still true, but when I worked at our local hospital it was. New York State institued a medicaid hmo system. The benefits themselves were payed out thru a company such as Wellcare or others, but the eligibility & premiums were from Medicaid. They had to be eligible for Medicaid in general & then were encouraged (not legally required tho it was presented that way to the people) that they sign up for the HMO. The idea was that the HMO's would save $$ by using their "requirements/regulations etc". Just wanted to throw this in!
 
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