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Why Hypertonice Saline (should) Work

anonymous

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<b>Why Hypertonic Saline Treatments (should) Work</b>

Some of the best discoveries happen quite by accident--telephones, silly putty and popsicles, just to name a few. The newest breakthrough in treatments for managing CF was also an incidental discovery. Someone noticed that people with CF who happened to be surfers exhibited fewer lung exacerbations than expected. This led to further investigation, and formal research of the benefits of salt water.

Although prevailing research for the use of hypertonic saline took place approximately 5 or more years ago, the use of hypertonic saline inhalation treatments for mucus clearance is the latest buzz in the CF world. My sincere appreciation goes out to those of you (and you know who you are) who were willing and able to participate in the clinical trials for this latest advance. In my opinion, every little bit helps when it comes to research, especially when the studies result in a worthwhile treatment option.

For those out there who may be starting on a regimen of nebulized hypertonic saline, or those who have been on it for awhile and can't seem to tell if it's making a difference or not, I'd like to explain in plain English the science behind the solution (pun intended).

First, let's get some background on those fancy scientific words.

Hypertonic saline solution: this means that the ratio of salt to water in the solution is less than the ratio of salt to water in the cells of the body. The body prefers that its cells are in an isotonic state, meaning that the ratios of salt to water inside the cell are equal to the amounts in the rest of the body's cells.

Here's a practical example of how to create an isotonic environment. Suppose you're at a picnic and there are two groups of people, each sitting on their own picnic blanket. On one blanket there are 4 guys, and on the other are 3 gals. The gals have 4 sandwiches among them. The guys have 3 sandwiches among them. You'll notice that the number of sandwiches and the number of people are the same, but the sandwiches are not evenly distributed among the individuals on each picnic blanket. It would make sense that the gals would share their 4th sandwich with the guy on the other blanket. This results in an isotonic situtation--the ratio of sandwiches to people is the same for each group on their individual picnic blankets.

Now, let's apply this back to CF.

In people with CF, our lungs are pretty dried out, which is related to the fact that we secrete so much salt when we sweat, and that salt pulls with it a lot of the water molecules we need. Without that water in our cells, it is very hard to effectively cough up the thick mucus we produce. There's so much gunk in there that needs to come out, but the body chemistry isn't right to make that happen easily. It's about as effective as trying to go the distance on a slip-n-slide before you turn on the water.

The amount of salt (concentration) in a hypertonic saline solution is less than the amount of salt in the cells lining our lungs. (This is why it is imperative that the proper concentration (i.e. 7%) be used in the nebulizer). Think of the amount of water in the solution as the sandwich from our picnic example. Inhaling the hypertonic saline is the same as donating a sandwich to the guys on the other picnic blanket. Similarly, the body pulls the water out of the inhaled solution and applies it to our cells. This of course, makes things more moist in there, which is good. The increased moisture in the cells lining our lungs makes it much easier to cough productively.

On a personal note, I feel like I am doing well with the hypertonic saline treatments. They are making me cough more, which is slightly annoying, but I know that coughing is a good thing. The more gunk I'm able to cough up, the less there is remaining in there to harbor a nasty infection. Hypertonic saline treatment might not make you "feel" better per se, like a bronchodilater will. That's because the treatment is more like a chemical form of chest PT, and not like taking a round of antibiotics. Slow and steady wins the race with this one.

Don't expect to feel a dramatic difference after a saline treatment; instead, be diligent with your treatments knowing that it is preventive in nature and will likely reduce the number of infections that you'll get later on. Yes, it can be cumbersome and annoying to have even more treatments to add to the daily regime, but 20-30 minutes spent following your treatment plan have potentially significant payoffs when it comes to quality of life.

I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, but I know science. I hope this explanation has been helpful. As with anything regarding your own treatments, please check with your doctor if you need more information.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://livingwellwithcf.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_livingwellwithcf_archive.html">Originally posted on Breathing Deeply: My Life with Cystic Fibrosis</a>

-lightNlife
 

anonymous

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<b>Why Hypertonic Saline Treatments (should) Work</b>

Some of the best discoveries happen quite by accident--telephones, silly putty and popsicles, just to name a few. The newest breakthrough in treatments for managing CF was also an incidental discovery. Someone noticed that people with CF who happened to be surfers exhibited fewer lung exacerbations than expected. This led to further investigation, and formal research of the benefits of salt water.

Although prevailing research for the use of hypertonic saline took place approximately 5 or more years ago, the use of hypertonic saline inhalation treatments for mucus clearance is the latest buzz in the CF world. My sincere appreciation goes out to those of you (and you know who you are) who were willing and able to participate in the clinical trials for this latest advance. In my opinion, every little bit helps when it comes to research, especially when the studies result in a worthwhile treatment option.

For those out there who may be starting on a regimen of nebulized hypertonic saline, or those who have been on it for awhile and can't seem to tell if it's making a difference or not, I'd like to explain in plain English the science behind the solution (pun intended).

First, let's get some background on those fancy scientific words.

Hypertonic saline solution: this means that the ratio of salt to water in the solution is less than the ratio of salt to water in the cells of the body. The body prefers that its cells are in an isotonic state, meaning that the ratios of salt to water inside the cell are equal to the amounts in the rest of the body's cells.

Here's a practical example of how to create an isotonic environment. Suppose you're at a picnic and there are two groups of people, each sitting on their own picnic blanket. On one blanket there are 4 guys, and on the other are 3 gals. The gals have 4 sandwiches among them. The guys have 3 sandwiches among them. You'll notice that the number of sandwiches and the number of people are the same, but the sandwiches are not evenly distributed among the individuals on each picnic blanket. It would make sense that the gals would share their 4th sandwich with the guy on the other blanket. This results in an isotonic situtation--the ratio of sandwiches to people is the same for each group on their individual picnic blankets.

Now, let's apply this back to CF.

In people with CF, our lungs are pretty dried out, which is related to the fact that we secrete so much salt when we sweat, and that salt pulls with it a lot of the water molecules we need. Without that water in our cells, it is very hard to effectively cough up the thick mucus we produce. There's so much gunk in there that needs to come out, but the body chemistry isn't right to make that happen easily. It's about as effective as trying to go the distance on a slip-n-slide before you turn on the water.

The amount of salt (concentration) in a hypertonic saline solution is less than the amount of salt in the cells lining our lungs. (This is why it is imperative that the proper concentration (i.e. 7%) be used in the nebulizer). Think of the amount of water in the solution as the sandwich from our picnic example. Inhaling the hypertonic saline is the same as donating a sandwich to the guys on the other picnic blanket. Similarly, the body pulls the water out of the inhaled solution and applies it to our cells. This of course, makes things more moist in there, which is good. The increased moisture in the cells lining our lungs makes it much easier to cough productively.

On a personal note, I feel like I am doing well with the hypertonic saline treatments. They are making me cough more, which is slightly annoying, but I know that coughing is a good thing. The more gunk I'm able to cough up, the less there is remaining in there to harbor a nasty infection. Hypertonic saline treatment might not make you "feel" better per se, like a bronchodilater will. That's because the treatment is more like a chemical form of chest PT, and not like taking a round of antibiotics. Slow and steady wins the race with this one.

Don't expect to feel a dramatic difference after a saline treatment; instead, be diligent with your treatments knowing that it is preventive in nature and will likely reduce the number of infections that you'll get later on. Yes, it can be cumbersome and annoying to have even more treatments to add to the daily regime, but 20-30 minutes spent following your treatment plan have potentially significant payoffs when it comes to quality of life.

I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, but I know science. I hope this explanation has been helpful. As with anything regarding your own treatments, please check with your doctor if you need more information.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://livingwellwithcf.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_livingwellwithcf_archive.html">Originally posted on Breathing Deeply: My Life with Cystic Fibrosis</a>

-lightNlife
 

anonymous

New member
<b>Why Hypertonic Saline Treatments (should) Work</b>

Some of the best discoveries happen quite by accident--telephones, silly putty and popsicles, just to name a few. The newest breakthrough in treatments for managing CF was also an incidental discovery. Someone noticed that people with CF who happened to be surfers exhibited fewer lung exacerbations than expected. This led to further investigation, and formal research of the benefits of salt water.

Although prevailing research for the use of hypertonic saline took place approximately 5 or more years ago, the use of hypertonic saline inhalation treatments for mucus clearance is the latest buzz in the CF world. My sincere appreciation goes out to those of you (and you know who you are) who were willing and able to participate in the clinical trials for this latest advance. In my opinion, every little bit helps when it comes to research, especially when the studies result in a worthwhile treatment option.

For those out there who may be starting on a regimen of nebulized hypertonic saline, or those who have been on it for awhile and can't seem to tell if it's making a difference or not, I'd like to explain in plain English the science behind the solution (pun intended).

First, let's get some background on those fancy scientific words.

Hypertonic saline solution: this means that the ratio of salt to water in the solution is less than the ratio of salt to water in the cells of the body. The body prefers that its cells are in an isotonic state, meaning that the ratios of salt to water inside the cell are equal to the amounts in the rest of the body's cells.

Here's a practical example of how to create an isotonic environment. Suppose you're at a picnic and there are two groups of people, each sitting on their own picnic blanket. On one blanket there are 4 guys, and on the other are 3 gals. The gals have 4 sandwiches among them. The guys have 3 sandwiches among them. You'll notice that the number of sandwiches and the number of people are the same, but the sandwiches are not evenly distributed among the individuals on each picnic blanket. It would make sense that the gals would share their 4th sandwich with the guy on the other blanket. This results in an isotonic situtation--the ratio of sandwiches to people is the same for each group on their individual picnic blankets.

Now, let's apply this back to CF.

In people with CF, our lungs are pretty dried out, which is related to the fact that we secrete so much salt when we sweat, and that salt pulls with it a lot of the water molecules we need. Without that water in our cells, it is very hard to effectively cough up the thick mucus we produce. There's so much gunk in there that needs to come out, but the body chemistry isn't right to make that happen easily. It's about as effective as trying to go the distance on a slip-n-slide before you turn on the water.

The amount of salt (concentration) in a hypertonic saline solution is less than the amount of salt in the cells lining our lungs. (This is why it is imperative that the proper concentration (i.e. 7%) be used in the nebulizer). Think of the amount of water in the solution as the sandwich from our picnic example. Inhaling the hypertonic saline is the same as donating a sandwich to the guys on the other picnic blanket. Similarly, the body pulls the water out of the inhaled solution and applies it to our cells. This of course, makes things more moist in there, which is good. The increased moisture in the cells lining our lungs makes it much easier to cough productively.

On a personal note, I feel like I am doing well with the hypertonic saline treatments. They are making me cough more, which is slightly annoying, but I know that coughing is a good thing. The more gunk I'm able to cough up, the less there is remaining in there to harbor a nasty infection. Hypertonic saline treatment might not make you "feel" better per se, like a bronchodilater will. That's because the treatment is more like a chemical form of chest PT, and not like taking a round of antibiotics. Slow and steady wins the race with this one.

Don't expect to feel a dramatic difference after a saline treatment; instead, be diligent with your treatments knowing that it is preventive in nature and will likely reduce the number of infections that you'll get later on. Yes, it can be cumbersome and annoying to have even more treatments to add to the daily regime, but 20-30 minutes spent following your treatment plan have potentially significant payoffs when it comes to quality of life.

I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, but I know science. I hope this explanation has been helpful. As with anything regarding your own treatments, please check with your doctor if you need more information.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://livingwellwithcf.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_livingwellwithcf_archive.html">Originally posted on Breathing Deeply: My Life with Cystic Fibrosis</a>

-lightNlife
 

anonymous

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<b>"Hypertonic saline solution: this means that the ratio of salt to water in the solution is less than the ratio of salt to water in the cells of the body. The body prefers that its cells are in an isotonic state, meaning that the ratios of salt to water inside the cell are equal to the amounts in the rest of the body's cells."</b>

I thought the hypertonic saline was a higher ratio than the ratio in the cells. The body tries to even it out by releasing water into the lungs to lower the hypertonic saline, and thus adding moisture to the lungs.
 

anonymous

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<b>"Hypertonic saline solution: this means that the ratio of salt to water in the solution is less than the ratio of salt to water in the cells of the body. The body prefers that its cells are in an isotonic state, meaning that the ratios of salt to water inside the cell are equal to the amounts in the rest of the body's cells."</b>

I thought the hypertonic saline was a higher ratio than the ratio in the cells. The body tries to even it out by releasing water into the lungs to lower the hypertonic saline, and thus adding moisture to the lungs.
 

anonymous

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<b>"Hypertonic saline solution: this means that the ratio of salt to water in the solution is less than the ratio of salt to water in the cells of the body. The body prefers that its cells are in an isotonic state, meaning that the ratios of salt to water inside the cell are equal to the amounts in the rest of the body's cells."</b>

I thought the hypertonic saline was a higher ratio than the ratio in the cells. The body tries to even it out by releasing water into the lungs to lower the hypertonic saline, and thus adding moisture to the lungs.
 

anonymous

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Prefix Hyper means greater than/more than
Prefix Hypo means less than
Prefix Iso means equal

For example Hyperglycemic means blood sugar too high

Hypogycemic means blood sugar too low.

therefore, I too thought hypertonic solution is one that salt is greater than the salt found in the body.

Rebecca(mom to Sammy 8 no CF and Maggie 3 1/2 with CF)
 

anonymous

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Prefix Hyper means greater than/more than
Prefix Hypo means less than
Prefix Iso means equal

For example Hyperglycemic means blood sugar too high

Hypogycemic means blood sugar too low.

therefore, I too thought hypertonic solution is one that salt is greater than the salt found in the body.

Rebecca(mom to Sammy 8 no CF and Maggie 3 1/2 with CF)
 

anonymous

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Prefix Hyper means greater than/more than
Prefix Hypo means less than
Prefix Iso means equal

For example Hyperglycemic means blood sugar too high

Hypogycemic means blood sugar too low.

therefore, I too thought hypertonic solution is one that salt is greater than the salt found in the body.

Rebecca(mom to Sammy 8 no CF and Maggie 3 1/2 with CF)
 

lightNlife

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In a hypertonic environment, osmosis causes water to flow out of the cell. The body doesn't try to even it out...the act of inhaling the solution puts the water in. The way anon at 12:16 described it would, theoretically, take place if we were inhaling straight up salt crystals thereby triggering a body's response.

The terminology is confusing, but try not to get hung up on the hyper-hypo-iso stuff. Those definitions that Rebecca posted are correct, but just looking at the prefixes themselves doesn't help us understand directional flow in a solution. The definitions chance depending on whether you are talking about the solute or the solvent.

Sorry that my description wasn't as clear as it should have been. I'll work on putting together something even more basic. In the meantime, here's the SHORT reason why HS is beneficial...it lubes up our lobes so we can cough stuff out more easily.
 

lightNlife

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In a hypertonic environment, osmosis causes water to flow out of the cell. The body doesn't try to even it out...the act of inhaling the solution puts the water in. The way anon at 12:16 described it would, theoretically, take place if we were inhaling straight up salt crystals thereby triggering a body's response.

The terminology is confusing, but try not to get hung up on the hyper-hypo-iso stuff. Those definitions that Rebecca posted are correct, but just looking at the prefixes themselves doesn't help us understand directional flow in a solution. The definitions chance depending on whether you are talking about the solute or the solvent.

Sorry that my description wasn't as clear as it should have been. I'll work on putting together something even more basic. In the meantime, here's the SHORT reason why HS is beneficial...it lubes up our lobes so we can cough stuff out more easily.
 

lightNlife

New member
In a hypertonic environment, osmosis causes water to flow out of the cell. The body doesn't try to even it out...the act of inhaling the solution puts the water in. The way anon at 12:16 described it would, theoretically, take place if we were inhaling straight up salt crystals thereby triggering a body's response.

The terminology is confusing, but try not to get hung up on the hyper-hypo-iso stuff. Those definitions that Rebecca posted are correct, but just looking at the prefixes themselves doesn't help us understand directional flow in a solution. The definitions chance depending on whether you are talking about the solute or the solvent.

Sorry that my description wasn't as clear as it should have been. I'll work on putting together something even more basic. In the meantime, here's the SHORT reason why HS is beneficial...it lubes up our lobes so we can cough stuff out more easily.
 

anonymous

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Excatly, it works by osmosis drawing out water from the cells onto the surface of the lungs. The 7% figure came about because it appeared to work without being too irrating to the lungs. If your lungs could tolerate it, breathing in dry salt probably would work.

Here is an excerpt from the attached link

<b>When Hypertonic Saline is inhaled into the lungs, the body tries to dilute the strong salt concentration. The cells lining the airways are triggered to release water. This restores the layer of moisture lining the airways, which helps the mucus to clear the same way it does in healthy lungs. You could think of it as the lungs "flushing out" the stagnant, infected mucus. </b>

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cysticfibrosis.org.au/research/hypertonicqanda/">http://www.cysticfibrosis.org....earch/hypertonicqanda/</a>

Before you try to put it "more basic", you need to understand it yourself.
 

anonymous

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Excatly, it works by osmosis drawing out water from the cells onto the surface of the lungs. The 7% figure came about because it appeared to work without being too irrating to the lungs. If your lungs could tolerate it, breathing in dry salt probably would work.

Here is an excerpt from the attached link

<b>When Hypertonic Saline is inhaled into the lungs, the body tries to dilute the strong salt concentration. The cells lining the airways are triggered to release water. This restores the layer of moisture lining the airways, which helps the mucus to clear the same way it does in healthy lungs. You could think of it as the lungs "flushing out" the stagnant, infected mucus. </b>

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cysticfibrosis.org.au/research/hypertonicqanda/">http://www.cysticfibrosis.org....earch/hypertonicqanda/</a>

Before you try to put it "more basic", you need to understand it yourself.
 

anonymous

New member
Excatly, it works by osmosis drawing out water from the cells onto the surface of the lungs. The 7% figure came about because it appeared to work without being too irrating to the lungs. If your lungs could tolerate it, breathing in dry salt probably would work.

Here is an excerpt from the attached link

<b>When Hypertonic Saline is inhaled into the lungs, the body tries to dilute the strong salt concentration. The cells lining the airways are triggered to release water. This restores the layer of moisture lining the airways, which helps the mucus to clear the same way it does in healthy lungs. You could think of it as the lungs "flushing out" the stagnant, infected mucus. </b>

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cysticfibrosis.org.au/research/hypertonicqanda/">http://www.cysticfibrosis.org....earch/hypertonicqanda/</a>

Before you try to put it "more basic", you need to understand it yourself.
 

anonymous

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<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/glossary/hypertonic.html">http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/glossary/hypertonic.html</a>
 

anonymous

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<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/glossary/hypertonic.html">http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/glossary/hypertonic.html</a>
 

anonymous

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<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/glossary/hypertonic.html">http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/glossary/hypertonic.html</a>
 

lightNlife

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>

Before you try to put it "more basic", you need to understand it yourself.</end quote></div>


I do understand it, I just couldn't describe it very well. My apologies. In any case, I was focusing on the osmolarity aspect of it when I was processing the description in my head and unfortunately, it didn't come out on the page very well.

Still, the basic reason why it works it because it increases moisture in the lung environment. Still, even if our body's cells are triggered to release moisture in the presence of salt, the multiple and varying medications many of us are on (particularly meds that block allergens) we tend to be dehydrated anyway. Delivering medication in nebulized form, (eg. HS) potentially brings about the same physical change to the body's environment as does a good steamy shower, or the use of a humidifier.

This is why getting hung up on hyper-hypo-iso terminology is so confusing. I only muddied the water by attempting to explain that. My overall intent was to highlight the benefit of the <b>PHYSICAL</b> change that takes place, not the chemical change.
 

lightNlife

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>

Before you try to put it "more basic", you need to understand it yourself.</end quote></div>


I do understand it, I just couldn't describe it very well. My apologies. In any case, I was focusing on the osmolarity aspect of it when I was processing the description in my head and unfortunately, it didn't come out on the page very well.

Still, the basic reason why it works it because it increases moisture in the lung environment. Still, even if our body's cells are triggered to release moisture in the presence of salt, the multiple and varying medications many of us are on (particularly meds that block allergens) we tend to be dehydrated anyway. Delivering medication in nebulized form, (eg. HS) potentially brings about the same physical change to the body's environment as does a good steamy shower, or the use of a humidifier.

This is why getting hung up on hyper-hypo-iso terminology is so confusing. I only muddied the water by attempting to explain that. My overall intent was to highlight the benefit of the <b>PHYSICAL</b> change that takes place, not the chemical change.
 
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