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Will Hospitals be more careful if they can't bill for mistakes?

Diane

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>NoExcuses</b></i>

unless it's a hospital attached to an ER, then they have to accept everyone. but hospitals without ER's can chose whomever they would like.

and many private hospitals accept medicare because it pays so well. i think you're misinformed with regards to who accepts medicare and medicaid.</end quote></div>

Thats a new one to me.... I never heard of a hospital that <u>didnt</u> have an ER.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> I do know that in Pa. anyone can go to any hospital even if they have no insurance at all and cannot be refused emergency service if it is a real emergency, but they will be transported to another hospital that accepts uninsured people. I also know they will try to get you medicaide while you are in that hospital if you are uninsured, but i never heard of a hospital not having an emergency dept. or of one turning someone away because they dont think your insurance is "good enough"<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">.I have never been turned away from any hospital because i have medicaide) That just seems so wrong on so many levels to me if it is a fact.
 

Diane

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>NoExcuses</b></i>

unless it's a hospital attached to an ER, then they have to accept everyone. but hospitals without ER's can chose whomever they would like.

and many private hospitals accept medicare because it pays so well. i think you're misinformed with regards to who accepts medicare and medicaid.</end quote></div>

Thats a new one to me.... I never heard of a hospital that <u>didnt</u> have an ER.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> I do know that in Pa. anyone can go to any hospital even if they have no insurance at all and cannot be refused emergency service if it is a real emergency, but they will be transported to another hospital that accepts uninsured people. I also know they will try to get you medicaide while you are in that hospital if you are uninsured, but i never heard of a hospital not having an emergency dept. or of one turning someone away because they dont think your insurance is "good enough"<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">.I have never been turned away from any hospital because i have medicaide) That just seems so wrong on so many levels to me if it is a fact.
 

Diane

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>NoExcuses</b></i>

unless it's a hospital attached to an ER, then they have to accept everyone. but hospitals without ER's can chose whomever they would like.

and many private hospitals accept medicare because it pays so well. i think you're misinformed with regards to who accepts medicare and medicaid.</end quote></div>

Thats a new one to me.... I never heard of a hospital that <u>didnt</u> have an ER.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> I do know that in Pa. anyone can go to any hospital even if they have no insurance at all and cannot be refused emergency service if it is a real emergency, but they will be transported to another hospital that accepts uninsured people. I also know they will try to get you medicaide while you are in that hospital if you are uninsured, but i never heard of a hospital not having an emergency dept. or of one turning someone away because they dont think your insurance is "good enough"<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">.I have never been turned away from any hospital because i have medicaide) That just seems so wrong on so many levels to me if it is a fact.
 

Diane

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>NoExcuses</b></i>

unless it's a hospital attached to an ER, then they have to accept everyone. but hospitals without ER's can chose whomever they would like.

and many private hospitals accept medicare because it pays so well. i think you're misinformed with regards to who accepts medicare and medicaid.</end quote>

Thats a new one to me.... I never heard of a hospital that <u>didnt</u> have an ER.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> I do know that in Pa. anyone can go to any hospital even if they have no insurance at all and cannot be refused emergency service if it is a real emergency, but they will be transported to another hospital that accepts uninsured people. I also know they will try to get you medicaide while you are in that hospital if you are uninsured, but i never heard of a hospital not having an emergency dept. or of one turning someone away because they dont think your insurance is "good enough"<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">.I have never been turned away from any hospital because i have medicaide) That just seems so wrong on so many levels to me if it is a fact.
 

Diane

New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>NoExcuses</b></i>

unless it's a hospital attached to an ER, then they have to accept everyone. but hospitals without ER's can chose whomever they would like.

and many private hospitals accept medicare because it pays so well. i think you're misinformed with regards to who accepts medicare and medicaid.</end quote>

Thats a new one to me.... I never heard of a hospital that <u>didnt</u> have an ER.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> I do know that in Pa. anyone can go to any hospital even if they have no insurance at all and cannot be refused emergency service if it is a real emergency, but they will be transported to another hospital that accepts uninsured people. I also know they will try to get you medicaide while you are in that hospital if you are uninsured, but i never heard of a hospital not having an emergency dept. or of one turning someone away because they dont think your insurance is "good enough"<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">.I have never been turned away from any hospital because i have medicaide) That just seems so wrong on so many levels to me if it is a fact.
 

robert321

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seems to me that the hospitals would just stop officially dxing with pnumonia, just half way treat it and then they can get paid, seems to me that this would do more harm to the patients than good, but at the same time it would increase asepsis precautions
 

robert321

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seems to me that the hospitals would just stop officially dxing with pnumonia, just half way treat it and then they can get paid, seems to me that this would do more harm to the patients than good, but at the same time it would increase asepsis precautions
 

robert321

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seems to me that the hospitals would just stop officially dxing with pnumonia, just half way treat it and then they can get paid, seems to me that this would do more harm to the patients than good, but at the same time it would increase asepsis precautions
 

robert321

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seems to me that the hospitals would just stop officially dxing with pnumonia, just half way treat it and then they can get paid, seems to me that this would do more harm to the patients than good, but at the same time it would increase asepsis precautions
 

robert321

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seems to me that the hospitals would just stop officially dxing with pnumonia, just half way treat it and then they can get paid, seems to me that this would do more harm to the patients than good, but at the same time it would increase asepsis precautions
 

Wheezie

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Diane you are correct. Many hospitals, particularly those with ERs, cannot refuse patients simply because they have medicaid (or no insurance at all). There are, however, hospitals that do not have ERs - these are likely the types of private hospitals that I was referring to in my earlier post. It would only be these "private" hospitals (and even some of them also have ERs) that could potentially turn a patient away and even then, it's not as if there isn't another hospital that patient could go to - just as you said, any hospital with an ER must treat a patient who comes into that ER. Admitting the patient as opposed to treating and releasing is another story. If the hospital refused to admit, the patient would be transported to another hospital. And though I do not have the statistical data to support it, my guess is that fancy private hospitals with or without ERs probably don't admit uninsured patients or those with medicaid (which does not pay well, by the way - at least not in my state).

This is one of the reasons there are public hospitals. I think of it like education - there are private schools you can pay to put your kids in and there are public schools for those who can't afford or don't want to pay for private education. But an education is required to be made available to all children of a certain age group. A public school cannot refuse to admit a less affluent student, just as a public hospital cannot refuse to admit a patient that needs to be admitted, regardless of whether or not they have insurance or are more or less likely to contract a secondary illness - which would be a highly subjective determination anyway.
 

Wheezie

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Diane you are correct. Many hospitals, particularly those with ERs, cannot refuse patients simply because they have medicaid (or no insurance at all). There are, however, hospitals that do not have ERs - these are likely the types of private hospitals that I was referring to in my earlier post. It would only be these "private" hospitals (and even some of them also have ERs) that could potentially turn a patient away and even then, it's not as if there isn't another hospital that patient could go to - just as you said, any hospital with an ER must treat a patient who comes into that ER. Admitting the patient as opposed to treating and releasing is another story. If the hospital refused to admit, the patient would be transported to another hospital. And though I do not have the statistical data to support it, my guess is that fancy private hospitals with or without ERs probably don't admit uninsured patients or those with medicaid (which does not pay well, by the way - at least not in my state).

This is one of the reasons there are public hospitals. I think of it like education - there are private schools you can pay to put your kids in and there are public schools for those who can't afford or don't want to pay for private education. But an education is required to be made available to all children of a certain age group. A public school cannot refuse to admit a less affluent student, just as a public hospital cannot refuse to admit a patient that needs to be admitted, regardless of whether or not they have insurance or are more or less likely to contract a secondary illness - which would be a highly subjective determination anyway.
 

Wheezie

New member
Diane you are correct. Many hospitals, particularly those with ERs, cannot refuse patients simply because they have medicaid (or no insurance at all). There are, however, hospitals that do not have ERs - these are likely the types of private hospitals that I was referring to in my earlier post. It would only be these "private" hospitals (and even some of them also have ERs) that could potentially turn a patient away and even then, it's not as if there isn't another hospital that patient could go to - just as you said, any hospital with an ER must treat a patient who comes into that ER. Admitting the patient as opposed to treating and releasing is another story. If the hospital refused to admit, the patient would be transported to another hospital. And though I do not have the statistical data to support it, my guess is that fancy private hospitals with or without ERs probably don't admit uninsured patients or those with medicaid (which does not pay well, by the way - at least not in my state).

This is one of the reasons there are public hospitals. I think of it like education - there are private schools you can pay to put your kids in and there are public schools for those who can't afford or don't want to pay for private education. But an education is required to be made available to all children of a certain age group. A public school cannot refuse to admit a less affluent student, just as a public hospital cannot refuse to admit a patient that needs to be admitted, regardless of whether or not they have insurance or are more or less likely to contract a secondary illness - which would be a highly subjective determination anyway.
 

Wheezie

New member
Diane you are correct. Many hospitals, particularly those with ERs, cannot refuse patients simply because they have medicaid (or no insurance at all). There are, however, hospitals that do not have ERs - these are likely the types of private hospitals that I was referring to in my earlier post. It would only be these "private" hospitals (and even some of them also have ERs) that could potentially turn a patient away and even then, it's not as if there isn't another hospital that patient could go to - just as you said, any hospital with an ER must treat a patient who comes into that ER. Admitting the patient as opposed to treating and releasing is another story. If the hospital refused to admit, the patient would be transported to another hospital. And though I do not have the statistical data to support it, my guess is that fancy private hospitals with or without ERs probably don't admit uninsured patients or those with medicaid (which does not pay well, by the way - at least not in my state).

This is one of the reasons there are public hospitals. I think of it like education - there are private schools you can pay to put your kids in and there are public schools for those who can't afford or don't want to pay for private education. But an education is required to be made available to all children of a certain age group. A public school cannot refuse to admit a less affluent student, just as a public hospital cannot refuse to admit a patient that needs to be admitted, regardless of whether or not they have insurance or are more or less likely to contract a secondary illness - which would be a highly subjective determination anyway.
 

Wheezie

New member
Diane you are correct. Many hospitals, particularly those with ERs, cannot refuse patients simply because they have medicaid (or no insurance at all). There are, however, hospitals that do not have ERs - these are likely the types of private hospitals that I was referring to in my earlier post. It would only be these "private" hospitals (and even some of them also have ERs) that could potentially turn a patient away and even then, it's not as if there isn't another hospital that patient could go to - just as you said, any hospital with an ER must treat a patient who comes into that ER. Admitting the patient as opposed to treating and releasing is another story. If the hospital refused to admit, the patient would be transported to another hospital. And though I do not have the statistical data to support it, my guess is that fancy private hospitals with or without ERs probably don't admit uninsured patients or those with medicaid (which does not pay well, by the way - at least not in my state).

This is one of the reasons there are public hospitals. I think of it like education - there are private schools you can pay to put your kids in and there are public schools for those who can't afford or don't want to pay for private education. But an education is required to be made available to all children of a certain age group. A public school cannot refuse to admit a less affluent student, just as a public hospital cannot refuse to admit a patient that needs to be admitted, regardless of whether or not they have insurance or are more or less likely to contract a secondary illness - which would be a highly subjective determination anyway.
 
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