<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>
SeanDavis, don't get me wrong, I think its great you're pursuing the american dream, even if it means becoming one of the cogs in the machine. I admire that you want to feel the water instead of waiting on the side line, wondering what it feels like. However, your reply gives me a little insight into your line of thinking.
In previous posts, you admit to slacking off for the last number of years instead of getting a job, which tells me that you could have gotten a job, but chose not to. In other posts, you tell us that you won't accept a job below a certain income level, while allowing others to subsidize your existence (whether its your girlfriend paying for your car insurance, or living rent free with your mother, or relying on the gov't to pay for your health insurance). With all this said, I assume you got grants or subsidies to pay for your education?
As far as paying taxes, if you're not paying income taxes or property taxes, but rather spending your money you've collected through SSI or other government means, than are you really paying any sales tax or am I? My father spent his life paying taxes too (as a lot of our fathers have), without the benefit of collecting any SS or any other retirement, because he died before reaching retirement age. The key difference between you and the 21 somethings with low lung function is the abiltiy to work. You admit to being able to work, but for whatever reason, did not. You are correct, we as society do have an obligation to take care of those who can't work, but the same is not the case for those who can work, but choose not to. (I assume they won't automatically form a criminal fringe group, calling themselves the "cf cryps" or "lungbloods"). What if there were no government program to provide any income? What would you do then?
I'm glad OO has been as good to you as its been, and I hope it helps others as well. Shoot, I've been inspired by you and others to try it myself. I hope you have the integrity and strength of character to follow through with your plans and objectives to achieve your goals. I get frustrated when people play themselved out to be victims (of CF or any other circumstance), when it appears to be within 100% of that persons control to change their situation and they don't, but rather point out all the reasons life is stacked up against them.
I don't want to seem judgemental in these posts, but there is no way around it, I am. I can admit that. That doesn't mean I am right, just my point of view. I want people to be able to see their potential without boundaries or excuses, and at the end to be able to say "I lived a life I'm proud of".
I do realize this is your playground and I am nobody on this board. I'm not looking to provoke a fight, or be a troll or flamer, but rather was wanting to present a perspective of a person with CF (and all of its "glory") without any bs, but trying to show what I'm seeing from the outside. I am not CF. I am a father, husband, employee, homeowner, who happens to have CF.
Another cf'er, mid 30's, wife, 2 kids, career, home, etc.</end quote></div>
Your post is stupid on many levels. I don't know why i'm even responding, but since i'm sitting here I will break it down point by point, even though you are anon, which speaks vollumes.
"SeanDavis, don't get me wrong, I think its great you're pursuing the american dream, even if it means becoming one of the cogs in the machine. I admire that you want to feel the water instead of waiting on the side line, wondering what it feels like. However, your reply gives me a little insight into your line of thinking."
Yes, i'm sure my reply gives you insight into what i'm thinking, and not your obvious disdain for me, or what you perceive to be me, and whatever lack of something that irks you. But ok, i'll give you that just for the sake of argument.
"In previous posts, you admit to slacking off for the last number of years instead of getting a job, which tells me that you could have gotten a job, but chose not to. In other posts, you tell us that you won't accept a job below a certain income level, while allowing others to subsidize your existence (whether its your girlfriend paying for your car insurance, or living rent free with your mother, or relying on the gov't to pay for your health insurance). With all this said, I assume you got grants or subsidies to pay for your education? "
Wow, I take it you have every detail of my life stored in a database in a timeline format? Oh no wait, you are basing your viewpoint on mostly one of the threads I posted when I was pissed off, and shared some details of my life with others. My health hasn't always been how it is now, as in good. I have had many many peaks and valleys like other CF patients. Our house is paid for, and so is my truck. I personally paid off my vehicle, and help out with anything else when help is needed, just like any other domestic partnership in the universe. I worked my a*s off growing up in many jobs, just not official jobs. I've worked in many restaurants (to the detriment of my health), construction, carpentry, and other back breaking work, most of the time in decent distress, because I wasn't on any form of disability, or any form of assistance. I wasn't happily working, I was suffering through it with massive lung bleeds, massive congestion, and at times pretty low PFT's. My father put a TON of cash into the system and died before he claimed a penny of it. What I received was "paid for" so to speak, and not a leach upon an already burdened system. I still till this day am nowhere near reaching the final penny of what he put into the system, of which i'm sure tons of that helped pay for others with federally recognized disabilities. Due to my massive copayment requirements, what I would pay in medical, taxes taken out, and the fact that i'm extremely qualified, why should I accept a position that offers a low wage, while others offer a higher wage that makes my life more stress free? Are you stupid? I paid for my car insurance previously if you must know, and I certainly don't live "rent free" if you want to consider me helping out financially often, which at times more than makes up for what a typical rent amount would be. And to address your other idiotic misinformed comment, the government does NOT pay for my health insurance, a private insurance company does. Boy, you sure are master sleuth. I'd be embarassed if I were you. As for my education, some of it was funded via what a close relative left me, and another part of it was through a federal program to help adults get an education and bring them to independence.
"As far as paying taxes, if you're not paying income taxes or property taxes, but rather spending your money you've collected through SSI or other government means, than are you really paying any sales tax or am I? My father spent his life paying taxes too (as a lot of our fathers have), without the benefit of collecting any SS or any other retirement, because he died before reaching retirement age. The key difference between you and the 21 somethings with low lung function is the abiltiy to work. You admit to being able to work, but for whatever reason, did not. You are correct, we as society do have an obligation to take care of those who can't work, but the same is not the case for those who can work, but choose not to. (I assume they won't automatically form a criminal fringe group, calling themselves the "cf cryps" or "lungbloods"). What if there were no government program to provide any income? What would you do then?"
Again moron, I don't collect SSI. I am paying all applicable taxes via my purchases, luxuries, sin taxes, gasoline taxes, communication (federal) taxes, and others that are pointless to list. Our state doesn't have a state income tax, just federal. So unless you want me to move to make you feel better, that's not going to happen anyway. I've already discussed that I wasn't always this way. My health changed, and therefore, my objectives changed. You are basing much of your ire on that I could have worked but did not. I went to school, gained a degree, and followed my goals, and hoped I could somehow get better in order to become employed. In order to become employed with a company that offered a decent wage for the care for my disease and for me to be independent insurance wise, I needed an education. Which I got through hard work and desire. I knew what I wanted, and went for it, hoping that in the future I would be somehow healthy enough to fully enter the work force, even if that meant possibly only another 10 years. Sorry to break this to you turd, you don't make the rules. You think I got on what I am on now because someone liked me? Far from it, I had to go through all the exhaustive examinations and doctor evaluations and everything else, just like everyone else has. I had no free ride. What would severely retarded kids do without any government assistance? What would crippled kids do? It's a stupid hypothetical query, one that doesn't deserve an answer. All that needs to be noted is that we live in a system that sees if someone qualifies, and if so, they receive assistance. I was found to be qualified for it, so much so that in the hearing, I had 3 of the 4 opposing parties (who's job it is to not let people on it) come up to me, pat me on the back, and tell me they hope I get it. Guess you are more informed than them as well eh? Last X-ray I had, showed a ton of scar tissue, but I guess I just doctored those X-rays to hide from the painful truth /cry
"I'm glad OO has been as good to you as its been, and I hope it helps others as well. Shoot, I've been inspired by you and others to try it myself. I hope you have the integrity and strength of character to follow through with your plans and objectives to achieve your goals. I get frustrated when people play themselved out to be victims (of CF or any other circumstance), when it appears to be within 100% of that persons control to change their situation and they don't, but rather point out all the reasons life is stacked up against them."
Don't fool yourself, this paragraph is a thin veiled attempt to show that you aren't the anon troll in which you are. Your perception of my situation is one way, and reality is another. OO has done wonders for me, and was in my opinion the leading cause of me being able to go back to work. It has helped others a ton. What have you done here to help anyone? No need to answer, because you like to hide behind anonymity to spew your venom. You actually have the gall to call me out on my character and convictions, and you yourself are anonymous so your viewpoints won't be judged as hatefilled and overly judgemental and illinformed by the rest of us here? Wow, that is beyond the height of hypocrisy, and I think everyone else would agree. You don't care anything about my plans or my integrity, you care about being an anon troll throwing poo, lie and be misinformed all you want in this thread, but please don't lie to yourself, that's the last layer before sinew of cutting too deep against your soul. I'm glad people like you aren't in power.
"I don't want to seem judgemental in these posts, but there is no way around it, I am. I can admit that. That doesn't mean I am right, just my point of view. I want people to be able to see their potential without boundaries or excuses, and at the end to be able to say "I lived a life I'm proud of"."
You don't want to seem judgemental? Please stop with the copout. That would be like me going on for an hour telling racist jokes about black people, then give the disclaimer of "What i'm not racist, I got black friends". Please save yet another thin veiled attempt to redeem whatever slim amount of character that you have left. I have indeed "lived a life I'm proud of". I have done TONS with my life, and have touched others beyond words. You feel because you have worked longer and earlier than me and squirted a couple kids out of your birth canal you are more just or worthy than I am? Sorry sister, nothing could be farther from the truth. I don't need you or anyone else to "see my potential without boundaries". Wow, how did I get by this long without the anon troll spewing her venom and ulterior motive faux wisdom in my direction? I HAVE NO IDEA!! I have worked with abused children, homeless people, vollunteered in various forms, traveled overseas several times, been in quite a few different states in the U.S., met amazing people, helped touch many peoples lives positively, done countless altruistic acts for others, and lived a better life in just my 35 years than most people twice my age. You know absolutely nothing besides some of the gripes I have posted on here.
"I do realize this is your playground and I am nobody on this board. I'm not looking to provoke a fight, or be a troll or flamer, but rather was wanting to present a perspective of a person with CF (and all of its "glory") without any bs, but trying to show what I'm seeing from the outside. I am not CF. I am a father, husband, employee, homeowner, who happens to have CF."
You aren't just "nobody" on here, you are obviously "nobody" deep inside yourself when noone else is around, and that's the saddest thing of all. LOL "I'm not looking to provoke a fight". So I guess I should put on a Klan outfit and grab a big burning cross and walk through harlem, and not "provoke a fight" eh? That's about as stupid as your rather dilluted attempt at dropping yet again, another excuse for your behavior. You gonna start preaching about the environment while you burn hundreds of pounds of industrial styrofoam in your front yard also? You are indeed a troll, plain and simple. Worse, you are a misinformed, judgemental, idiotic, venom spewing anon troll. They don't come any lower. "I am a father, husband"...So i'm supposed to take you even remotely serious while you are mascarading around trying to flame, when in your very own post you say you are a father and husband, and the very last line you are a mother as well? Do you have both sets of genitalia and have achieved something modern science could only view as sci-fi? This isn't my "playground", I have a couple other places for that. This is just a place I came to, to try and help others like I have been helped. And decided that there are some people on here that I enjoy conversing with, so I stayed.
You sir/mam (whatever you are) are a coward. Some people may not care for me, but i've never hidden behind anonymity to spew venom at others. I personally have the cajones to say whatever it is I say, with my name next to my text. I hope you are raising your children with such equal high values. I also think there is a good chance you are a particular someone who didn't like that I was onto their identity, and you chose to litter a post with red herrings as to your gender, etc. You are VERY weak sauce. It must be nice to be so judgemental AND live in a fog of idiocy and cowardice. That's a low rarely attained, by men who have put real time into the effort. Congrats on atleast being special in that regard.
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