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A note about socialized medicine...

Ender

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Hey Christina, when you wanna talk about debt, lets not talk about the debt you're health care system equates into your math, cause I'm sure it's not nearly as close as the 500 billion it puts into war.
 

Ender

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Hey Christina, when you wanna talk about debt, lets not talk about the debt you're health care system equates into your math, cause I'm sure it's not nearly as close as the 500 billion it puts into war.
 

Ender

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Hey Christina, when you wanna talk about debt, lets not talk about the debt you're health care system equates into your math, cause I'm sure it's not nearly as close as the 500 billion it puts into war.
 

Ender

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Hey Christina, when you wanna talk about debt, lets not talk about the debt you're health care system equates into your math, cause I'm sure it's not nearly as close as the 500 billion it puts into war.
 

Ender

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Hey Christina, when you wanna talk about debt, lets not talk about the debt you're health care system equates into your math, cause I'm sure it's not nearly as close as the 500 billion it puts into war.
 

crystalina0814

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ender</b></i>

Hey Christina, when you wanna talk about debt, lets not talk about the debt you're health care system equates into your math, cause I'm sure it's not nearly as close as the 500 billion it puts into war.</end quote></div>

I never said that I agree with what is being spent there either...I must be difficult to please, haha!
 

crystalina0814

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ender</b></i>

Hey Christina, when you wanna talk about debt, lets not talk about the debt you're health care system equates into your math, cause I'm sure it's not nearly as close as the 500 billion it puts into war.</end quote></div>

I never said that I agree with what is being spent there either...I must be difficult to please, haha!
 

crystalina0814

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ender</b></i>

Hey Christina, when you wanna talk about debt, lets not talk about the debt you're health care system equates into your math, cause I'm sure it's not nearly as close as the 500 billion it puts into war.</end quote></div>

I never said that I agree with what is being spent there either...I must be difficult to please, haha!
 

crystalina0814

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ender</b></i>

Hey Christina, when you wanna talk about debt, lets not talk about the debt you're health care system equates into your math, cause I'm sure it's not nearly as close as the 500 billion it puts into war.</end quote>

I never said that I agree with what is being spent there either...I must be difficult to please, haha!
 

crystalina0814

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ender</b></i>
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<br />Hey Christina, when you wanna talk about debt, lets not talk about the debt you're health care system equates into your math, cause I'm sure it's not nearly as close as the 500 billion it puts into war.</end quote>
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<br />I never said that I agree with what is being spent there either...I must be difficult to please, haha!
 

jpetersen

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I've always had insurance through my parents, work, temporary coverage (COBRA), or self-employed private insurance. In the 13 years I've been managing my own health, I've had to appeal to take one, just one, medicine. The reason was that back in 2000, to order colistine in an injection bottle to nebulize triggered issues because they wouldn't cover it for injection. A quick call from my CF doctor cleared that up.

I've paid everywhere from $100/mo in premiums and very very low co-pays to the $435 we pay now and $3500 out of pocket per year. The freedom I have to get whatever treatment I want without worry that someone is going to step in the way and deny a treatment is priceless. I'm self-employed and simply make up for the higher premiums.

What I DON'T want is someone forcing me into a rationed program or forcing me into another insurance that denies the treatments I am on now or need in the future. No one wants to be in need of an x-plant or a recipient of an x-plant only to have something fall through because of someone else's bottom line.

I feel for those who don't have insurance, but the only thing that needs to be done is to insure *those who WANT insurance* (many in their 20s don't care to have it) and to make it easier to avoid pre-existing condition clauses. I can't just go get another insurance plan because of CF, but I could always work for an employer who provides great health plans. It's not that hard to get a job with good coverage - insurance just has to be a priority in the job-seeking process.
 

jpetersen

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I've always had insurance through my parents, work, temporary coverage (COBRA), or self-employed private insurance. In the 13 years I've been managing my own health, I've had to appeal to take one, just one, medicine. The reason was that back in 2000, to order colistine in an injection bottle to nebulize triggered issues because they wouldn't cover it for injection. A quick call from my CF doctor cleared that up.

I've paid everywhere from $100/mo in premiums and very very low co-pays to the $435 we pay now and $3500 out of pocket per year. The freedom I have to get whatever treatment I want without worry that someone is going to step in the way and deny a treatment is priceless. I'm self-employed and simply make up for the higher premiums.

What I DON'T want is someone forcing me into a rationed program or forcing me into another insurance that denies the treatments I am on now or need in the future. No one wants to be in need of an x-plant or a recipient of an x-plant only to have something fall through because of someone else's bottom line.

I feel for those who don't have insurance, but the only thing that needs to be done is to insure *those who WANT insurance* (many in their 20s don't care to have it) and to make it easier to avoid pre-existing condition clauses. I can't just go get another insurance plan because of CF, but I could always work for an employer who provides great health plans. It's not that hard to get a job with good coverage - insurance just has to be a priority in the job-seeking process.
 

jpetersen

New member
I've always had insurance through my parents, work, temporary coverage (COBRA), or self-employed private insurance. In the 13 years I've been managing my own health, I've had to appeal to take one, just one, medicine. The reason was that back in 2000, to order colistine in an injection bottle to nebulize triggered issues because they wouldn't cover it for injection. A quick call from my CF doctor cleared that up.

I've paid everywhere from $100/mo in premiums and very very low co-pays to the $435 we pay now and $3500 out of pocket per year. The freedom I have to get whatever treatment I want without worry that someone is going to step in the way and deny a treatment is priceless. I'm self-employed and simply make up for the higher premiums.

What I DON'T want is someone forcing me into a rationed program or forcing me into another insurance that denies the treatments I am on now or need in the future. No one wants to be in need of an x-plant or a recipient of an x-plant only to have something fall through because of someone else's bottom line.

I feel for those who don't have insurance, but the only thing that needs to be done is to insure *those who WANT insurance* (many in their 20s don't care to have it) and to make it easier to avoid pre-existing condition clauses. I can't just go get another insurance plan because of CF, but I could always work for an employer who provides great health plans. It's not that hard to get a job with good coverage - insurance just has to be a priority in the job-seeking process.
 

jpetersen

New member
I've always had insurance through my parents, work, temporary coverage (COBRA), or self-employed private insurance. In the 13 years I've been managing my own health, I've had to appeal to take one, just one, medicine. The reason was that back in 2000, to order colistine in an injection bottle to nebulize triggered issues because they wouldn't cover it for injection. A quick call from my CF doctor cleared that up.

I've paid everywhere from $100/mo in premiums and very very low co-pays to the $435 we pay now and $3500 out of pocket per year. The freedom I have to get whatever treatment I want without worry that someone is going to step in the way and deny a treatment is priceless. I'm self-employed and simply make up for the higher premiums.

What I DON'T want is someone forcing me into a rationed program or forcing me into another insurance that denies the treatments I am on now or need in the future. No one wants to be in need of an x-plant or a recipient of an x-plant only to have something fall through because of someone else's bottom line.

I feel for those who don't have insurance, but the only thing that needs to be done is to insure *those who WANT insurance* (many in their 20s don't care to have it) and to make it easier to avoid pre-existing condition clauses. I can't just go get another insurance plan because of CF, but I could always work for an employer who provides great health plans. It's not that hard to get a job with good coverage - insurance just has to be a priority in the job-seeking process.
 

jpetersen

New member
I've always had insurance through my parents, work, temporary coverage (COBRA), or self-employed private insurance. In the 13 years I've been managing my own health, I've had to appeal to take one, just one, medicine. The reason was that back in 2000, to order colistine in an injection bottle to nebulize triggered issues because they wouldn't cover it for injection. A quick call from my CF doctor cleared that up.
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<br />I've paid everywhere from $100/mo in premiums and very very low co-pays to the $435 we pay now and $3500 out of pocket per year. The freedom I have to get whatever treatment I want without worry that someone is going to step in the way and deny a treatment is priceless. I'm self-employed and simply make up for the higher premiums.
<br />
<br />What I DON'T want is someone forcing me into a rationed program or forcing me into another insurance that denies the treatments I am on now or need in the future. No one wants to be in need of an x-plant or a recipient of an x-plant only to have something fall through because of someone else's bottom line.
<br />
<br />I feel for those who don't have insurance, but the only thing that needs to be done is to insure *those who WANT insurance* (many in their 20s don't care to have it) and to make it easier to avoid pre-existing condition clauses. I can't just go get another insurance plan because of CF, but I could always work for an employer who provides great health plans. It's not that hard to get a job with good coverage - insurance just has to be a priority in the job-seeking process.
 

hmw

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>It's not that hard to get a job with good coverage</end quote></div>
Rolling around on the floor laughing hysterically... oh my goodness! Do you have any- ANY!!! idea how hard it can be to find AFFORDABLE insurance nowadays in this current employment market when you are trying to provide for a family/children?! Insurance 'just' has to be a priority in the job-seeking process? OK, just like salary sufficient to support your family 'just' has to be a priority, and job qualifications 'just' have to be a consideration too... It is NOT as easy as it sounds. I'm not dipping as much as a toe in the political debate there, but just commenting on the *reality* of the situation vs. some pat answer implying anyone who wants great coverage can waltz into the nearest great job offering it.
 

hmw

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>It's not that hard to get a job with good coverage</end quote></div>
Rolling around on the floor laughing hysterically... oh my goodness! Do you have any- ANY!!! idea how hard it can be to find AFFORDABLE insurance nowadays in this current employment market when you are trying to provide for a family/children?! Insurance 'just' has to be a priority in the job-seeking process? OK, just like salary sufficient to support your family 'just' has to be a priority, and job qualifications 'just' have to be a consideration too... It is NOT as easy as it sounds. I'm not dipping as much as a toe in the political debate there, but just commenting on the *reality* of the situation vs. some pat answer implying anyone who wants great coverage can waltz into the nearest great job offering it.
 

hmw

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>It's not that hard to get a job with good coverage</end quote></div>
Rolling around on the floor laughing hysterically... oh my goodness! Do you have any- ANY!!! idea how hard it can be to find AFFORDABLE insurance nowadays in this current employment market when you are trying to provide for a family/children?! Insurance 'just' has to be a priority in the job-seeking process? OK, just like salary sufficient to support your family 'just' has to be a priority, and job qualifications 'just' have to be a consideration too... It is NOT as easy as it sounds. I'm not dipping as much as a toe in the political debate there, but just commenting on the *reality* of the situation vs. some pat answer implying anyone who wants great coverage can waltz into the nearest great job offering it.
 

hmw

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>It's not that hard to get a job with good coverage</end quote>
Rolling around on the floor laughing hysterically... oh my goodness! Do you have any- ANY!!! idea how hard it can be to find AFFORDABLE insurance nowadays in this current employment market when you are trying to provide for a family/children?! Insurance 'just' has to be a priority in the job-seeking process? OK, just like salary sufficient to support your family 'just' has to be a priority, and job qualifications 'just' have to be a consideration too... It is NOT as easy as it sounds. I'm not dipping as much as a toe in the political debate there, but just commenting on the *reality* of the situation vs. some pat answer implying anyone who wants great coverage can waltz into the nearest great job offering it.
 

hmw

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>It's not that hard to get a job with good coverage</end quote>
<br />Rolling around on the floor laughing hysterically... oh my goodness! Do you have any- ANY!!! idea how hard it can be to find AFFORDABLE insurance nowadays in this current employment market when you are trying to provide for a family/children?! Insurance 'just' has to be a priority in the job-seeking process? OK, just like salary sufficient to support your family 'just' has to be a priority, and job qualifications 'just' have to be a consideration too... It is NOT as easy as it sounds. I'm not dipping as much as a toe in the political debate there, but just commenting on the *reality* of the situation vs. some pat answer implying anyone who wants great coverage can waltz into the nearest great job offering it.
 
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