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I'm ashamed of myself

Faust

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I almost hurt someone very bad today. I was extremely close to acting on my primal urge to hurt that person very very bad. Thankfully I was able to stop, and listen to my brain, even though I was in full wholesale rage (like Wolverine rage). After I was done, the person in question verbally assaulted me for a second time. I was able to mind my P's and Q's and escort them away from me, of course physically. Thankfully it wasn't bad enough to warrant an investigation (though it could have been if I would have done what my insides wanted to do). I had to settle with physically destroying a stand up an near me, with my fists and elbow. The thing is in probably 100 different pieces. I guess I am growing up, because even in my absolute fit of rage due to this persons actions, I was able to somewhat keep a steady head, and not put very large holes in walls, and destroy doors in the process.


Want to hear what makes it VERY sad? That it was my biological sister, and she was goading me to hurt her. Hence why I decimated the fan. I knew I shouldn't harm her (even though in a purely physical world, I should have due to what she had done), so i found the first physical object near me that didn't feel pain, and messed it up.


Thankfully my employer won't know about this, and I wasn't arrested. You know what I have learned from this (aside from many other things)? It's that some females will do and say anything, because they think "There is no way he will hit me" kind of s*it. But guess what? Everyone has their snapping point, and their own limit. When they can't take it anymore and they snap, don't rely on their right from wrong and understanding of the whole female vs male violence thing. I'm glad I was able to be a good guy, because for a brief moment, I turned into Hugh Jackman from X-men. I could have seriously hurt someone who I cared about.

REALLY big bad nasty poop pie. I have to deal. Basically what happened tonight really scared me. I'm a general hippy type guy, that it takes a LOT to get me angry, especially so on the verge of extreme physical violence. When it happened, I literally wasn't there (me as myself) anymore. What was there was pure rage. I'm just glad I caught myself, and made sure I didn't do something that I would have regretted for the rest of my life.


Wish your night was better.
 
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Renegade

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If this is a true story, it's one of the dumbest things I've ever read. And it certainly doesn't belong on this site. Just the thought that you might hit a girl even if it is your sister makes you a moron. There's to many things I could say about this but I just don't think it's true.

Renegade 40y/CFer - Cepacia since 1996 - 6'2" tall and 197lbs.
 

Emily65Roses

New member
Hmmm... I've come to personal limits before too. Glad you could stop yourself. Funny Ricky thinks it's one of the dumbest things he's ever read, huh? Maybe he's never read his own words. That could explain why they come off so stupid, I guess.

Anyways, Sean, I read ya. I hear ya. You have my support and such.

Oh and to appease those of us who have asked that we keep unrelated stuff to a limit, could you edit the thread to add "not CF related" to the name? I'm sure many would appreciate it. <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0">
 

Faust

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Renegade</b></i>

If this is a true story, it's one of the dumbest things I've ever read. And it certainly doesn't belong on this site. Just the thought that you might hit a girl even if it is your sister makes you a moron. There's to many things I could say about this but I just don't think it's true.



Renegade 40y/CFer - Cepacia since 1996 - 6'2" tall and 197lbs.</end quote></div>



Wow man your height and weight are impressive, can I add mine to my whenever I am done posting? Should we start an e-peen waving fest about how much we can bench, squat, and curl? How about the Javelin? Is that something either of us have done where we can start from scratch?

Better yet, should I start talking about death to get you off your game, and get you to post more threads about how we shouldn't be talking about death?

How about pool, darts, or quarters? Wait a sec I got it, foosball ok? Want a CF lung oyster chuckin competition?


I didn't break down exactly what happened tonight, because that would encompass a VERY large post. The point I was making, was that even those with the utmost restraint regarding violence, especially so towards women, and especially more so towards female family members, can be stressed to the breaking point. I;m not one to harm any females, but I also think that "they won't do anything to me while I assault them" card is way way WAY played out.

Females need to realize that while even the most pedigree raised man will never raise his hand to a woman (me), there is no point in antagonizing them to do so, and even daring them to do so. Given the right stressors, circumstances, and alcohol, it might not always end up how you want it to end up.


Should we continue to discuss how I am a moron, and you are not? My E-peen is slightly anemic at this point in time, I can use some exercises to strengthen it.
 

Faust

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Emily65Roses</b></i>

Hmmm... I've come to personal limits before too. Glad you could stop yourself. Funny Ricky thinks it's one of the dumbest things he's ever read, huh? Maybe he's never read his own words. That could explain why they come off so stupid, I guess.



Anyways, Sean, I read ya. I hear ya. You have my support and such.



Oh and to appease those of us who have asked that we keep unrelated stuff to a limit, could you edit the thread to add "not CF related" to the name? I'm sure many would appreciate it. <img src=""></end quote></div>



Done and done. As I said to my detractors post, i've never raised my hand to a woman, but to be fair, a woman needs to realize when that whole "He won't hit me, he's a guy" card just isn't appropriate anymore. It's like midgets. If a midget comes up to me, I feel he/she is automatically cool with me. Now if a midget runs up to me and kicks me directly in the groin and yells "HAHA my short A*ss just kicked you in the balls, what are you going to do about it?!?!", sorry, i'm gonna punt that midget like a 3rd grade kickball...When I get up.

I held my cool, and kept my peice of mind. The only thing I destroyed was a stand up fan. My job is to escort executives, and protect women involved in domestic violence issues (and legal injunctions). The last thing I want to do is harm someone else, my job is in protecting. My point for this was, is that i'm ashamed for myself in that I briefly slipped into "uh oh" land. granted nothing happened, and it would have taken her to come at me with a butcher knife or a running chainsaw for me to really hurt her, it it still freaky.

Women need to realize they shouldnt keep attacking a guy in many ways. Let stuff go. Let it drop. When the stuff is done, don't follow them into their room, don't assault them again, don't literally beg to be struck. It's not smart. Lesser men than me could do some real mean stuff.
 

Jane

Digital opinion leader
Sean, that's awful. I'm sorry. Blowing off steam is important, but it sounds like you guys have some major issues that you need to deal with so it doesn't happen again.
 

JazzysMom

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I have to admit Sean that I know of many woman that "push" on purpose. I dont know if they like the thrill of the possible danger or they get a kick out of seeing the steam come out of the guys ears or they are just plain bit---- or they just dont realize what they are doing! In society its expected that a guy not hit a woman (more or less) because of the physical differences etc, but slowly it is coming around (tho the stigma still exists) that quite often the rolls are reversed. Everyone does have a breaking point. Some peoples breaking point is greater than others, but it still exists. I applaud you for maintaining your cool (the best that you could) because it only takes a split second for all hell to break loose!
 

Faust

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>JazzysMom</b></i>

I have to admit Sean that I know of many woman that "push" on purpose. I dont know if they like the thrill of the possible danger or they get a kick out of seeing the steam come out of the guys ears or they are just plain bit---- or they just dont realize what they are doing! In society its expected that a guy not hit a woman (more or less) because of the physical differences etc, but slowly it is coming around (tho the stigma still exists) that quite often the rolls are reversed. Everyone does have a breaking point. Some peoples breaking point is greater than others, but it still exists. I applaud you for maintaining your cool (the best that you could) because it only takes a split second for all hell to break loose!</end quote></div>



Yeah some friends of mine (the biker types) have a saying. They say "I'll treat you like a woman untill you act like a man". It's a pretty good saying. Basically punch me, or kick me in the jewels, and I don't have it comin, is grounds to view a woman like a man imo.
 
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littlemisssilly

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Violence should never be condoned or glorified. Implicit in your posts is the argument that 'women ask for it' if they push a man beyond your so called "breaking point".

I understand that you 'kept your cool' and that you and I are never going to agree on this issue but violence is never excusable in my eyes. Blaming the vicitm, regardless of gender, is merely an excuse and to be honest with you, reading your post made me sick.

I have spent many years working with victims of violence and I apologise now, to the readers of this forum, if my opinion causes a backlash but I stand behind what I said. Violence, is like politics and religion, it will always stir up raw emotions in people.
 
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65rosessamurai

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Sean, I've made it a general rule not to raise my hand against a woman, and yes, in some cases the "biker rule" does apply.
However, there was one good point, and that is not to blame your rage and your going out of control on someone else. I hope you can understand that when in an argument with a woman to keep in mind you are stronger, and could easily win with them physically, but doing so would put you in a heap of trouble, with the law, and perhaps with regret as well. Fortunately I had endured this through my frequent arguments with the ex, and then with the mother in law. The mother in law has probably said equally strong words to me in which I could barely contain myself, but I kept my simple rule, don't hit a female, unless she strikes first, and deserves the retalliation.

Personally, I don't condone you for losing control, but I won't commend you for realizing you lost control because I believe you should have stayed aware of your emotions the whole time.

I have heard that women can be verbally vicious. But, I don't think they should "realize", I think you should tell them (or warn them) of what things they shouldn't attack men with (or at least expect the unexpected and keep your self-control).
 

ladybug

New member
I'm glad you were able to turn your rage on a less deserving unfeeling object. I'm sure you feel better about that today. I have also had similar feelings, though not so much that I could hurt someone physically (I'm not a very intimidating presence...lol), but I have hurt someone emotionally with words in a moment of rage. I am sure I didn't "see red" like you probably did, but it does serve as a reminder that sometimes we can/and do "step outside" ourselves and react in irrational ways.

I'm very glad you did not hit your sister. The fact that you were able to control yourself AND feel the need for help and support by posting this on the boards is commendable in my eyes....





(BTW, maybe the rage is a side-effect of the Oregano Oil? You know, that stuff hasn't been tested on any animals, so one never knows.)
 

Emily65Roses

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I have to agree, hitting a woman is not cool. But others are right, girls shouldn't go around pushing buttons just because they "know they can." It's no excuse to piss people off beyond belief. I've known people that have done that before. I'm sure I have. It's lame.
 

Faust

New member
Sorry just got done doing a 12 hour. I won't 100% explain the situation, but I will elaborate somewhat more, not to make excuses, but maybe to have others understand a little bit more that I was under some fairly extress mental/physical duress.

My sister moved back in with us due to her basically going crazy, possibly having a midlife crisis, left her great and loving husband, and house, business with him, and basically ran away with some much younger hippy guy and his wife (yes he was married). She at first was "communing with the gaia mother spirit" in the national forest and hugging trees and praying to dirt and talking to the moon and bathing in streams, and basically all out hippy communal living. Not like there is anything truely wrong with that, but going from a person who seems pretty stable, being married, having a business, a house, and 7 dogs and 2 or 3 cats to look after, to basically "going off the deep end", well, let's just say we all reacted in different ways.


No need to really go into how I reacted, i'll just say I lost a ton of respect for her and what she did to that real good guy she had, because I'm one of the few guys who doesn't cheat, and seriously believes in that whole "till death do us part" thing.


Anyways she moved in with us, because she didn't have anywhere to go. She basically threw away her life and went chasing some fantasy that in the end (like these things always seem to do), bit her in the butt, and now she has nothing but confusion.

We already had 3 dogs living here (one from the crackhead friend my mom and sisters talk to because he couldn't take care of himself, yet alone a dog, the other another stray, and another a stray that was found tied to a garbage can in the middle of a highway in the rain). She got rid of a couple dogs, and brought her 3 other dogs and another cat here to live with us. Our house is around 2000 square feet, so it's roomy but far from gigantic. With 6 dogs in the house, at times it feels like wherever you step or turn, there is a dog. Like the 101 Dalmations movie.


Anyways I started working, and I had deep, meaningful conversations with my family (including her, actually ESPECIALLY her) that in order for me to keep this up (working full time and weird graveyard shifts atleast twice a week), we are going to have to figure out a way to quiet the dogs after I get home, so I can get atleast 6 hours of sleep (which still isn't enough but whatever). She was all "sure this", and "I'll help with" that, and openly very supportive.

We tried a couple various ways/places/ideas of where and how to put the dogs so they were comfortable, watered, and sheltered, where I wouldn't be woken up by a massive chorus of barking/howling when someone walked by the house or a neighbor said something in the backyard or whatever. They seriously go apes*it at the littlest thing, then it can continue for 10+ mins. As you can see, you can't sleep like that. Add to that i'm a very light sleeper, and once i'm awake due to having to either talk to someone/think/take care of something like dogs barking, i'm 100% awake and can't get back to sleep.

I tried ear plugs, and even a slight shock barking color for one of the main offender dogs (1-2 start it, and the others chime in). Neither of those solutions worked, and since I can't 100% control reality so noone walks by my house, or rings the doorbell, or walks their dog by my house, i knew I had to do something to utilize the archetecture of the house while still keeping them comfortable and taken care of.

I hatched a scheme that for two days a week, for only 6-7 hours each time when I go to bed, to have them in the side yard (so the house blocks their barks), with a barricade up so they can't go around to my back window. It worked awesome. The problem was, she would keep trying to do it her way, and her way always had a draw back of 100% nullifying my purpose of quietness.

She would extend the barrier farther back, saying they needed more room (they have a ton of room, and a big garage to lounge around in, with a giant ceiling fan cranking on them, they are fine trust me, I would never harm them). I would be woken up with barking. I would politely, nicely talk to her to please let's do it how I originally had it (which btw was the way they do it when they have big parties and want the dogs kept away from guests, but it's ok then I guess). Each time she went against my wishes, it resulted in me getting at most, maybe 3 hours of partial sleep, and then I had to go in to work and try to function and not be irritable to clients/guests and especially important, not nod off.

This happened (her messing with my perfect, non harming scheme) atleast 6 times, maybe 7. Each time as I said, resulting in me being very much so a gentleman and polite, and trying to deal with 3 hours of partial sleep and asking her to nicely PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep with my wishes, because it's the only way to deal with the dogs where they aren't harmed, and I am able to sleep. Perfectly understandable request right? I 100% know that if the shoe was on the other foot, I would totally abide by their wishes and go out of my way to accomodate them getting sleep, because I have done it in the past for her.

The second time she did this, I told her how after being run down last time and not getting decent sleep when I was certing on my firearm training, my health took a nosedive big time and I got down to 43% lung function (from high 90's), ended up in the hospital on massive IV's for 2 weeks, then on home IV's for 10 more days, and ended up contracting staph, and serratia from my hospital visit, and an "unknown organism" in my culture. I seriously thought I wasn't coming home at one point.

Pretty serious stuff right? Wouldn't you accomodate someone in that type of need with a VERY small request, where she doesn't even have to do anything. All she has to do is not go behind me and change what I have done, and everything is 100% fine.

Well the final time, after hearing the dogs barking and knowing that is not how I set them up, I took a deep breath, then walked out of my room, on my 3ish hour sleep (before having to go back in), and asked her something like (nicely) "<name> why do you continually keep butting heads with me on this. Isn't my health important to you, I'm your only brother. You know what happened to me last time". Then she started with excuses, real lame ones, that only mad me more upset. I reiterated my feelings, and again asked her to please not tear down the positive stuff (health, job, etc) that I have so far built up on my own (which she has told me several times how proud she is of me for accomplishing all this). She started to nitpick me, and try to dissect why it's ok what she is doing. I told her again that obviously it isn't because now I am awake again due to their barking, and with my way, I sleep soundly. She started to get an attitude, and say some other condecending stuff to me, and became a bitch plain and simple.

It EXTREMELY hurt me, and pissed me off that her is my sister who I have been closest with all my life, not seeing how important this is to me, and apparently either has lost 200 IQ points recently and can't comprehend basic English, or is purposely doing these things to harm me/piss me off/possibly end up killing me.


I sighed, barely keeping my rage inside, and started to walk away, and then she said something else very snide to me, and that was "the straw that broke the camels back" so to speak. I lunged toward her with pure rage in my face and eyes, and bursted out yelling about what I felt, and basically what I explained here. If she would have been a man, and considering how frustrated I was, and felt she was legitimately trying to ruin what I have accomplished, I would have full on layed her out (again, if she were a MAN).

She got more snippy, obviously poking an angry aligator so to speak. I turned and started to walk away, because I knew nothing good could come of me standing there near her. She said something else (can't remember what) and my mind said "Find something to destroy that isn't alive, QUICK" and the fan was standing there. Well the fan went flying, and I haven't even looked what I did to it, i'm sure it's demolished, because i'm a pretty decent size guy.

Then she gave me another side antagonizing comment, something like "Oh sure, beat up the fan!", and then i officially went over the edge and turned and lunged at her and screamed, quite frothingly at the mouth, and quite psycho looking, something like "IT'S BECAUSE I CAN'T BEAT YOUR A*S!!!".

I guess that was enough to make her shut up, because she did. I slammed the sliding glass door, flew into my room, and slammed that door. I was pulsating with rage, due to the reasons I gave above. My sister was actively harming my health, and possibly screwing up everything I had gained to that point.

She then comes after me in my own room, while i'm in bed trying to calm down and maybe get some more sleep (impossible now). She starts in with the "HOW DARE YOU" comments, and similar self righteous things she says when she knows she is wrong, but angry. I leap out of bed and get in her face and tell her to leave me alone, and quickly highlight why i'm furious again. Then I basically escort her out of my room, without throwing her out.

It ends with a ton of screaming "F**K YOU's" through the doors, and her crying in the other room, saying all kinds of stupid stuff that doesn't make sense (you would think it was her that got only 3 hours sleep).


...So sorry for such a long post, but that's basically it. The quickest way to freak me out is someone repetitively messing with me. Like a wood pecker pecking away at one area, with an aura of "YEAH, WHAT ARE YA GONNA DO ABOUT IT", over and over till it goes from a normal patch of flesh, to a bloody extremely painful pulp.

I felt she was purposely trying to harm my health, or just being extremely stupid, or massively inconsiderate, or all three. I tried my best talking and being nice 5 or 6 times to no avail. I am usually a paragon of patience, but she succeeded in making me snap. Picture this happening to you. Picture you haveing several days of 3 hours sleep due to someone else. Picture you trying to reason with them. Picture them, through their actions, basically saying "I don't care, piss off" and doing what they want anyway. Picture how you feel when you get just one day of little sleep. Now times that by 6 or 7.


As I have said before, I would never intentionally harm a woman, especially my sister/family member. But everyone has a breaking point, even Mother Theresa or Ghandi weren't above getting pissed off. I'm sure both of those people have hit someone in rage at some point(s) of their lives.


I 100% agree that violence isn't nice, and for many reasons should be the absolute last resort when dealing with someone who you have tried every other avenue to get to understand something you are trying to convey. But we don't live in an ideal fantasy land reality. Violence does take place, and human emotions are part of us, regardless how pacifistic someone claims to be, they too have a snaping point where they are very capable of lashing out violently. If you say other wise, you are lying or delusional.


I'm happy I didn't harm her, i'm ashamed of myself only because I let myself snap. Our relationship is probably strained pretty good right now, and I won't know otherwise for a decent amount of time.


That is the story, if you still think I was way out of bounds for getting pissed, well, we just will have to not agree on many basic principles.
 

cfmomma

New member
you have every right to be pissed at your bitchy, free-loading, inconsiderate, selfish sister. You let her in your house and she has completly taken advantage of you regardless of your recent health problems, that is SICK!! I have three brothers and I know I antagonized them to hit me and sometimes they did. I wanted them to get in trouble and I wanted them to look like an ass. I wanted to be the victim. Sounds like your sister wants to be the victim as well. The major difference is that I was a kid and I was acting like a bratty little sister. She's an adult and has no excuse to behave like that. I'd like to reach through my laptop and bitch-slap her myself---nothing is better than a good old cat-fight! I hope the two of you can resolve this. Deep down you both love each other, but it make take a while for her to come to grip with reality. I love my brothers and we have had some pretty viscious fights, but we got over it eventually. Yeah, you probably scared the crap out of her and you expressed your rage, but you didn't hit her and that is what is important. Us women are smart and we know what it takes to piss a guy off. Pissing a guy off on purpose because you have an invisible shield of "I'm a girl, you can't hurt me" is horribly wrong and very unfair. She needs to get out of your house and she needs to know her behavior is unacceptable. Hang in there and get some sleep.
 
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