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anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>thelizardqueen</b></i>

That being said, when I'm in very hard times I do pray. Who am I praying to? I'm not sure. </end quote></div>


I also pray. But I pray to Joe Pesci. I know (as opposed to having faith) that Joe Pesci will always show up and comfort me by smashing my problems knees with a bat and going into the Goodfellas "What like clown funny!?!?" tirade while he is doing so. Everyone should worship Joe Pesci, he always comes through for me in my time of need.
 

thelizardqueen

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What I meant by I'm not sure who I'm praying to, is that if I'm not sure I believe in God, then am I necessarily praying to God, or am I just praying to a "higher power" whatever that may be. I don't necessarily believe that its God.

You tell me Anon - is Joe Pesci a "higher power"?<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0">
 

anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>thelizardqueen</b></i>

What I meant by I'm not sure who I'm praying to, is that if I'm not sure I believe in God, then am I necessarily praying to God, or am I just praying to a "higher power" whatever that may be. I don't necessarily believe that its God.



You tell me Anon - is Joe Pesci a "higher power"?<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0"></end quote></div>



I dunno. To me a "higher power" is whatever entity getst he job done that I can't that I need to get done. And i've personally prayed to Joe Pesci atleast five times, and each time he has shown up and "taken care" of my problem. I'd say that automatically categorizes him as a "higher power" in my mind. Of course i'd rather be like Magneto or some other rediculously powerful evil mutant from X-Men, but beggers can't be choosers. Go with Joe Pesci my child.
 

anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>thelizardqueen</b></i>

Yet I wonder if this is MIA SeanDavis.</end quote></div>


Why? Is he the only one allowed to worship Joe Pesci? I own all of his movies, and have broken into his New Jersey apartment and put my life on the line to retrieve his toe clippings from the trash. I am clearly, by far the bigger fan. I deserve my prayers answered.
 

anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>thelizardqueen</b></i>

Yet I wonder if this is MIA SeanDavis.</end quote></div>

He's Baaack<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0">
 

Ender

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Ok to all you who responded, thank you.

I think for myself and a lot of you as well, we tend to get lost in the why, and forget about the now. I find myself thinking too much about the things that have no answers, and too little on the tangent, personal things that i might be able to grasp, and maybe change to my benefit. But that's part of behing human right, to dream the things unthinkable. I guess sometimes it just gets out of perspective.

I didn't mean to get too much into religion here. I mean, when you look into the past, it was used as an answer to most of our questions (ie a god of thunder, a god of the rain), as I'm sure most of you know. However, as we got smarter, we realized the natural causes of these phenomenon, so the use of gods subsided, and was replaced by scientific fact. However there is still a question or two that we cannot answer, ie, why we are here and what happens when we die, hence our need of god and the answers that it brings.

I think the idea of god is not a bad thing...it does serve some purpose. It gives peole meaning and hope. However, i think there is a fundamental flaw that has contributed to a large part of the distruction of the earth, that being the world view that god created us under his image, and everything else is there for our taking. We are above everything else, and if god created nature, then we can do whatever we want to it. I think it's kind of a shame too, cause there was another world view at the time (the natives) that believed the world was a web, interconnected, and that everything you do has a consequence. Think of how the world would be now if that was the dominant underlying thinking of us. Alas, the greedier side wins <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">

however, to the poster that gave all the scientific information about other dimensions, and us being insignificant. I posted this before, but i don't think it got that much attention. As i said earlier, i don't have much belief in a human god, but i do think there is something going on that was can't understand, and i believe this through science. Let me explain.

When they were experimenting on quantum computing, they realized that the world was one big mind, in a sense. Quantum computing deals with the positions of the the electrons, and where they will be at any given time. We have been able to harness that power, and create mini computers out of manipulating the spin of electrons represent the ones or zeros. However, we aren't actually creating anything new, we are just tapping into the computing power that is already there in the universe. So what is the universe computing, you might ask? it's computing where the electrons are gonna be at any specific time to make this reality. So what i get from this is that the universe is calculating thise reality out of many different possibilities...and out of all these calculations, it calculates life...and sentient life at that...that's able to ponder it's own existence...and even come to understand the mechanisms that go on to create this universe! Chance? Think about it.

I kinda got off topic here, but i mainly wanted to start this thread to ask why we feel so pressured into succeeding, being something, and an individual out of 6 billion people when you think that none of it really matters. I think the important thing is to just take a breath, feel the sun on your face and just enjoy life. More and more i think there is beauty in simplicity, in a growing world of complexity.

ok...too much hahha

Kiel
 
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65rosessamurai

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Yea, Liz, that certainly looks like classic SD responses!
However, from the beginning of this spool, there was never any mention of the "Plus Alpha Factor".
When life is not going towards your expectations, it isn't always "religion" related.
And this is one that Joe Pesci can't fix with a bat.
I'm talking beauraucratic red tape. I just hope it ain't as bad in the U.S. as it is here! Some of us who work for a "white picket fence" are sometimes effected by society, and "The System".
Sure, maybe faith will get you out of a rut, but so will a 24 pack! Only difference is, one is self destructive to the body (and the body should be treated like a temple!), while the other is a little more "healthy" of an aspect towards facing such ups and downs of living.
So, when you're in a situation looking for direction, and every turn comes up with a dead end, or road-block, you could easily give up if you have nothing to believe in. And, by having something to believe in, you would be given the self assurance that there are other alternatives, or other solutions to help you move along, for nothing stays forever.
However, when a person is in some form of despair, it is difficult to find appreciation for what you have, when you are in need of finding what you are looking for.
 

anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>65rosessamurai</b></i>

And this is one that Joe Pesci can't fix with a bat.

</end quote></div>

Blasphemer! Joe Pesci can fix ANYTHING with a bat. And if by some very unlikely chance he can't fix it with a bat, he can fix it with an aresenal of stereotypical Italian New Jersey gangster witticisms, quips, musings, and quiet poignant stares!


The thing about religion and god, is that the idea behind any of the principles in general are fine. The problems arise (and they always arise due to how humans are) when humans segregate themselves within their own religions, and feel their religion is the answer, and everyone else is wrong. That is what starts religious persecution, massive wars, and overall tremendous bloodshed. Looking at human history as a whole, it could be a fair argument to say that most of the pain, suffering, and bloodshed to ever take place amongst humans has been due in one form or another due to religion directly, or indirectly.


With the advances in quantum physics, how quantum entanglement theory is advancing and more and more people are accepting it and starting to show more progress in proving elements of the theory in laboratory settings, and with our apparent coming discovery of many different dimensions surrounding us, theres a very real argument that old world religions will disappear. I think that if the human race absolutely must hold onto religion in some form (and we probably always will, humans will always be afraid of death, and there will always be a buck to be made in it), it needs to progress to a more modern, utilitarian version, and not the archaic religions from the past we are more familiar with.


As ender mentioned, we need to move forward with a belief structure more related to understanding that everything in reality is all related on an atomic and subatomic level, and our environment and ourselves share influence interchangeably, and the same relationship is universal, everywhere. There have already been several experiments to illustrate what I am refering to, that baffles scientists and frankly creeps them out, mostly refering to quantum entanglement theory in general. Many people brave enough to explore this field feel it is the begining of something extraordinary, that has the opportunity to usher in a new era of understanding, that melds religion and science together in a happy unison.


Understanding and inner thought is real salvation, not submitting to some organized religion that adheres to rules and dogma written and rewritten countless times by many mans hands, all hands with extreme bias and deceit I shall add. The Middle East, the Crusades, and the Inquisition are all great examples of why religion as we currently understand it needs to go, atleast this current interpretation of it. I'd love for UFO's to mass land tomorrow and inform us all we are all full of s*it and don't know crap and we basically go through an overnight cleansing process of thought, where all the old thoughts are thrown out the window on a global scale. A Turner Diaries assault against past dearly held institutions of belief if you will. We really need to throw the baby out with the bath water on this one. Except for Joe Pesci. Anyone seen his bat? He is looking pissed.
 

Ender

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>

As ender mentioned, we need to move forward with a belief structure more related to understanding that everything in reality is all related on an atomic and subatomic level, and our environment and ourselves share influence interchangeably, and the same relationship is universal, everywhere. There have already been several experiments to illustrate what I am refering to, that baffles scientists and frankly creeps them out, mostly refering to quantum entanglement theory in general. Many people brave enough to explore this field feel it is the begining of something extraordinary, that has the opportunity to usher in a new era of understanding, that melds religion and science together in a happy unison.



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I think you expressed some of my thoughts very well. Just one question. Who are you <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"> I'm just kinda curious.
 

anonymous

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Ever see the movie Fight Club Ender? I'm the guy that shows up when you check out <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> You can call me Tyler Durden.
 

kayleesgrandma

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If this isn't SD, then he HAS been captured by aliens and they've cloned him!!! Kiel is asking the age-old questions--"who am I, and why am I here, and does it matter?" Though I don't like to be equated with having the mind-set of those living in huts--I do believe in something greater than myself. I do not believe we (humans), were an accident, nor that we crawled out of the mud to stand upright and give God the finger. My working in a hospital, seeing stomach surgery and seeing how complicated the stomach is, has convinced me that there is no way that humans are the result of "multiple" mutations of nature--see footnote on the inner workings of the female reproductive system... I believe that I was put here for a reason, that my life--and all life has value--and a purpose for being here. God gave us "free choice"--we can believe, or not. He does not "run" my life, He guides it. Succeeding in life doesn't have to be the picket fence senerio. If you can be happy (isn't that a poem), then whatever you do is important--as long as it doesn't hurt someone else. Even if it's living in a hut and herding reindeer. There were several great books about the meaning of life that my generation read--"Sidhartha", "On Walden Pond", "Lord of the Rings"--I threw that one in "cause I know it's so profound. We left the cities, went back to the land, joined communes, smoked peyote and pot, and dropped acid.--all to find the meaning of life, and of God. Some of us discovered the Peace Corps, and all of us were affected by Viet Nam. So you aren't the first Kiel, you won't be the last, but the important thing is that you <b><i>asked</i></b>!
 

anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>kayleesgrandma</b></i>

If this isn't SD, then he HAS been captured by aliens and they've cloned him!!! Kiel is asking the age-old questions--"who am I, and why am I here, and does it matter?" Though I don't like to be equated with having the mind-set of those living in huts--I do believe in something greater than myself. I do not believe we (humans), were an accident, nor that we crawled out of the mud to stand upright and give God the finger. My working in a hospital, seeing stomach surgery and seeing how complicated the stomach is, has convinced me that there is no way that humans are the result of "multiple" mutations of nature--see footnote on the inner workings of the female reproductive system... I believe that I was put here for a reason, that my life--and all life has value--and a purpose for being here. God gave us "free choice"--we can believe, or not. He does not "run" my life, He guides it. Succeeding in life doesn't have to be the picket fence senerio. If you can be happy (isn't that a poem), then whatever you do is important--as long as it doesn't hurt someone else. Even if it's living in a hut and herding reindeer. There were several great books about the meaning of life that my generation read--"Sidhartha", "On Walden Pond", "Lord of the Rings"--I threw that one in "cause I know it's so profound. We left the cities, went back to the land, joined communes, smoked peyote and pot, and dropped acid.--all to find the meaning of life, and of God. Some of us discovered the Peace Corps, and all of us were affected by Viet Nam. So you aren't the first Kiel, you won't be the last, but the important thing is that you <b><i>asked</i></b>!</end quote></div>



I'm not equating you to someone who lives in a hut and throws spears just because you believe in a more traditional form of "God". I was merely drawing a parallel on how old that unified god structure is. I feel with not too distant (possibly the begining will be within 3 years) future knowlege, we will be able to merge science and "god". I have no problem at all with people believing in a central power in the universe. On some levels it does make some sense. I just feel it's a tad silly to feel that in the infinite of everything out there, if it is capable of being aware in a sense that we view awareness and not just a literal power like in physics, it is aware of us. Or if it is aware of us, it cares about us. Maybe occasional awareness? Similar to how we occasionally notice ants on the sidewalk while we are walking down in town? Who knows. We could sit around forever and speculate, we still won't know. What I am pretty sure of though, minus the fanatics, is that with our coming cutting edge knowledge of things we could only imagine previously, "God" as we knew it before will totally change. God will move from a central figure in our belief structures, to a more clear understanding of how all things relate to each other, and why. The very foundation of everything that is the building blocks of everything will be seen in ways we never thought of before.


Just like the Renaissance, the invention of the microscope and the microscopic world, and the splitting of the atom changed humanity and our reality, this (if proven to be true) will have even greater changes for humanity. It will be like discovering that we are just one yolk, inside an egg white, and that is also, and that is also, till possible infinity.


As for the debate about "I didn't come from a monkey or crawl out of the muck". I personally believe in the Panspermia theory, which seems to have been recently nearly proven in India with the red rain. But evolution is currently taking place right now, in our bodies. Within the last thousand years (nothing time wise) our appendex and tailbones (tail bone = we once had a tail) are continuing to get smaller and be less functional. Tonsils? You get my point. I guess people who believe strongly in religion have a hard time accepting these things, that would be considered universal scientific facts in the year 2006. This shouldnt make others feel there is no "god", just that we progressed in a different way than the Bible tells us we did. What's wrong with thinking God himself seeded the earth with all the ingredients necessary for life, and set the basic building blocks in motion and essentially created evolution and let it take place? Like rubbing his sweaty, bacteria ridden feet on a fresh petri dish and letting the bacteria thrive and mutate and reproduce.
 

kayleesgrandma

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Hmm, very interesting. Great food for thought, glad you clarified the hut bit.It'll be fun to see what the new, improved version of God will be after all this scientific breakthru. I think you'll find that He will be the same tomorrow as He is today, and as He was yesterday. We shall have to wait and see.
 

kayleesgrandma

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PS--Thanks to all of you for a stimulating discussion without getting personal or cranky. Isn't it great when we can talk and not get insulting or belittling? This was fun.
 

anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>kayleesgrandma</b></i>

PS--Thanks to all of you for a stimulating discussion without getting personal or cranky. Isn't it great when we can talk and not get insulting or belittling? This was fun.</end quote></div>


That's Joe Pesci's job.
 
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65rosessamurai

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"Why do I bother to post, why am I here, and does it really matter?"
 

Landy

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>kayleesgrandma</b></i>


Within the last thousand years (nothing time wise) our appendex and tailbones (tail bone = we once had a tail) are continuing to get smaller and be less functional. Tonsils? You get my point. .</end quote></div>

I guess I don't get your point...do you have links to studies that prove that our appendix & tailbones are smaller? I just had never heard of this before.
What's your reference to tonsils?
 

Seana30

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To the Joe Pesci guy..............

I just have to say....get some original material!

If any of ya'll have watched George Carlin's, WE ARE ALL DISEASED that is exactly what he says in his act.

Seana
 

anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Lynda</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>



<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>kayleesgrandma</b></i>





Within the last thousand years (nothing time wise) our appendex and tailbones (tail bone = we once had a tail) are continuing to get smaller and be less functional. Tonsils? You get my point. .</end quote></div>



I guess I don't get your point...do you have links to studies that prove that our appendix & tailbones are smaller? I just had never heard of this before.

What's your reference to tonsils?</end quote></div>

I'm not sure if they are getting smaller, but when you look, you can see the remnants of a small tail we used to once have.

The tonsils and the appendix are strutures that we have but aren't really useful anymore, or we can live without. I'mnot sure if they will go away or not, but you know how it is with evolution, if it's not functional, then it's done away with.
 
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