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anonymous

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i know exactly what you mean. intelligence is pandoras box. one thing though, ignorance may be bliss, but you dont know it unless you become aware. there is no going back.

i do not have CF, but someone I care very much for does.

youandmeinmi
 
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Seana30

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First off SeanD.....I NEVER said OMG....WTF.

Second....you win.....I give up.....I will not try to discuss anything with you again. Ender started the post and he found my post interesting and that is all that matters.

Seana
 
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kayleesgrandma

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Getting back to the worm thing...where did that come from (published)? And how does that prove that you can develope from an ameba into the advanced human species that we are? Just because we may not have as much hair as our ancestors, or our teeth are straighter does not explain us coming from the mud.
 
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anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>kayleesgrandma</b></i>

Getting back to the worm thing...where did that come from (published)? And how does that prove that you can develope from an ameba into the advanced human species that we are? Just because we may not have as much hair as our ancestors, or our teeth are straighter does not explain us coming from the mud.</end quote></div>



No it doesn't. That aspect is a theory. It is one I agree with, along with the Panspermia theory. But as far as evolution itself goes, I don't think it's proper to call it a "theory" at this stage of the game. Many scientists think we came from the simian route. I think the sea probably offered something to the mix.


There is an "Aquatic Ape Theory" revolving around Dolphins and Whales, and mankind:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquatic_ape_theory
">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquatic_ape_theory
</a>
I will save space and not paste, you can just google up the theory and come to your own conclusions. Basically there are three main schools of through: Savannah Theory (the conventional, most widely accepted theory) <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna_Theory">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna_Theory</a> The Aquatic Ape Theory, and then just "God did it".


Read into the Aquatic Ape Theory, it's really neat. It's not perfect in it's explanations, just like any theory (including the savannah theory) but it's neat and offers insight into the whole situation.
 
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anonymous

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Heres a cool read. Just a site that has accumulated articles and information on the Aquatic Ape Theory and our connection to dolphins:


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://paulapeterson.com/dolphin_human_connection.html
">http://paulapeterson.com/dolphin_human_connection.html
</a>
 
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anonymous

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Info on Panspermia and Exogenesis for those who are bored:


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia
">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia
</a>


It makes good sense to me. Recently in India there was "Red rain" falling over a very large area for quite a while. The samples were collected, and all kinds of scientists are studying them now. The "red rain" is microscopic organisms that are cellular, but appear to not readily contain DNA (Or might possibly). Basically most evidence is starting to point to that whatever it is, it could be the first real signs of extraterrestrial life (all though microscopic), that basically hitched a ride here on a meteor/other celestial body, broke up in our atmosphere and rained down and is now here with us on earth. Just google up "Red rain india" and you will get all kinds of links, it made tons of real legit news sources, and real scientists are totally perplexed on what these things might be.


Ejecta from other moons and planets have long been known to make it to other moons and planets, so it stands to reason if you had a hardy enough (this red rain stuff survives incredible heat and cold, it's proven in a lab) straing of microorganism it could survive a space journey and arrive on another planet/moon, hence the whole "Seeds of life" panspermia/exogenesis theory. Fertile soil (our planet cooling and starting to become more hospitable to life) + Hitchhiking microscopic organisms = the building blocks needed for life and evolution in general.
 
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kayleesgrandma

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Very interesting--good read, very intelligent science fiction. I personally think its a waste of brain cells, but I'm sure it's good for keeping alzheimers away. Thanks for the info--I'm printing it off to read further in morning when I get off work.
 
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anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>kayleesgrandma</b></i>

Very interesting--good read, very intelligent science fiction. I personally think its a waste of brain cells, but I'm sure it's good for keeping alzheimers away. Thanks for the info--I'm printing it off to read further in morning when I get off work.</end quote></div>



Not to start a fight, and I respect peoples choice to be religious (though it's not for me), but even some of the more wackier theories to our evolution like the Aquatic Ape theory, or the middle of the road ones like Panspermia/exogensis, have much more bearing in science and even more evidence to argue for them than there is for any religion. So if anything (and again, i'm not purposely making fun, just drawing attention to your comment and making a reference), religion as a whole deserves to be called sciece fiction much more so than even wacky theories involving evolution. We can atleast prove certain elements of these theories do indeed exist, religion we can't, and must rely on "faith". Still in all fairness, thanks for atleast reading it. Even if we don't agree with something, knowledge is powerful and enlightening. I'm far from a biblical scholar, but I wouldn't sit here and even discuss christianity if I hadn't atleast been exposed to it's teachings and read atleast some of it myself. I personally feel the Bible is generally good "common sense handbook for living" for people. Stick to the 10 commandments in general, and people will be better off. But people take the Bible quit literally, when it's obvious many of it's teachings and passages were merely metaphors for getting points across.
 
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anonymous

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BTW I Found this fitting. If you have to ask what it's from, ask Tekno how to "Shank yourself"


Why are we here? What's life all about?
Is God really real, or is there some doubt?
Well, tonight, we're going to sort it all out,
For, tonight, it's 'The Meaning of Life'.

What's the point of all this hoax?
Is it the chicken and the egg time? Are we just yolks?
Or, perhaps, we're just one of God's little jokes.
Well, ça c'est 'The Meaning of Life'.

Is life just a game where we make up the rules
While we're searching for something to say,
Or are we just simply spiralling coils
Of self-replicating DN-- nay, nay, nay, nay, nay, nay, nay.

What is life? What is our fate?
Is there a Heaven and Hell? Do we reincarnate?
Is mankind evolving, or is it too late?
Well, tonight, here's 'The Meaning of Life'.

For millions, this 'life' is a sad vale of tears,
Sitting 'round with really nothing to say
While the scientists say we're just simply spiralling coils
Of self-replicating DN-- nay, nay, nay, nay, nay, nay, nay.

So, just why-- why are we here,
And just what-- what-- what-- what do we fear?
Well, ce soir, for a change, it will all be made clear,
For this is 'The Meaning of Life'. C'est le sens de la vie.
This is 'The Meaning of Life'.



And here's my main reason for posting (another awesome song):


TONY BENNETT:
It's Christmas in Heaven.
All the children sing.
It's Christmas in Heaven.
Hark. Hark. Those church bells ring.

It's Christmas in Heaven.
The snow falls from the sky,
But it's nice and warm, and everyone
Looks smart and wears a tie.

It's Christmas in Heaven.
There's great films on TV:
'The Sound of Music' twice an hour
And 'Jaws' One, Two, and Three.


JOSEPH AND MARY:
There's gifts for all the family.
There's toiletries and trains.
THREE WISE MEN:
There's Sony Walkman Headphone sets
And the latest video games.

EVERYONE:
It's Christmas! It's Christmas in Heaven!
Hip hip hip hip hip hooray!
Every single day
Is Christmas day!

It's Christmas! It's Christmas in Heaven!
Hip hip hip hip hip hooray!
Every single day
Is Christmas day!
 
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kayleesgrandma

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Thank you, I didn't take offense, my answer was really tongue in cheek--not stuck out at you. I know I can't prove my belief, and I know you know that it's a matter of faith. If we could prove there is a God then how hard would it be to believe in Him? That's why God gave us free choice. Only the ignorant would coccoon themselves in the ignorance of bliss without investigating all probabilities. God doesn't want us to know only about Him. He wants us to explore and then make a decision--but the decision is ours alone to make. I admit there are some rabid christians who think that it is sacriledge to read or listen to anything that goes against the so-called principles of God. How else can you make an "informed decision"--though I know that's an oxymoron to you. Thank you for the courteous exchange of ideas--the poem is hilarious. I think God is probably saying amen to that Brother!
 
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Jane

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>[wacky theories involving evolution. .</end quote></div>



This thread is amusing, but the length makes me tired. Just wanted to add, for those of you with a sense of humor about religion and evolution (I know I am treading on dangerous ground here), check out this link.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.venganza.org/
">http://www.venganza.org/
</a>
It originated when the author of this site wrote a letter to a school board responding to an evolution/ religion incident. IMO its VERY clever.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
 
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Lilith

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Along the lines of the evolution debate, my opinion is that CFers (or our lungs, anyway) are living proof that on some level, evolution exists. We take drugs, the bugs in our lungs get 'smart' and adapt to the conditons caused by the drugs. In order to do this, they mutate, or evolve, and become stronger and resistant. Whether you're religious or not, if you have CF, you have to admit that (at least to that degree) evolution is real, and not just a theory.
 
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Mockingbird

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Lilith</b></i>

Along the lines of the evolution debate, my opinion is that CFers (or our lungs, anyway) are living proof that on some level, evolution exists. We take drugs, the bugs in our lungs get 'smart' and adapt to the conditons caused by the drugs. In order to do this, they mutate, or evolve, and become stronger and resistant. Whether you're religious or not, if you have CF, you have to admit that (at least to that degree) evolution is real, and not just a theory.</end quote></div>

The term for that is "adaptation" not "evolution". There's a difference.

Jane, i am a little ofended by the "flying spaghetti monster religion" but I do admit it is sorta funny. =-) If anyone has an open mind and wants to see some science behind doubtting the evolutionary theory, this is a very good site. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/">http://www.answersingenesis.org/</a>
 
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Jane

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>


Jane, i am a little ofended by the "flying spaghetti monster religion" but I do admit it is sorta funny. =-) q]


Not meant to offend, just to offer some humor and recommend an open mind. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 
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Lilith

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Mockingbird</b></i>
The term for that is "adaptation" not "evolution". There's a difference. [/L]</end quote></div>

The whole idea behind evolution is the ability of an organism to 'adapt' to their surroundings. Same basic principal.
 
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anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Lilith</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Mockingbird</b></i>

The term for that is "adaptation" not "evolution". There's a difference. [/L]</end quote></div>



The whole idea behind evolution is the ability of an organism to 'adapt' to their surroundings. Same basic principal.</end quote></div>


The problem is that within evolution, therein lies adaptation. There are very marginally different. One takes place over a short period of time, one takes place over a fairly long period of time in general. And that is the laymans explanation. But in general, that is how they work. To explain either: Stimulous affects a group of organisms, one section mutates, passes on their genes to the next generation, the ones that didn't die off, the ones that did survive recieved the survivors genes and continue to florish upon the evolutionary tree.


I have no problem at all with scientific, highly educated minds to say "Well I have been exposed to every theory that we know of, I see valid points in every theory, I know of evolution, but to whatever reasons, I am willing to say I believe in X, or Y, or Z, or whatever".

If you have been exposede to all factual science has to offer, and other cutting edge exploratory areas has to offer, and you still feel fine believing in what you want to believe in, it really doesn't matter. You well end up as worm food just as me. Whatever makes you more content on your journey to that pine box, so be it.
 
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Ender

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Mockingbird</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Lilith</b></i>



Along the lines of the evolution debate, my opinion is that CFers (or our lungs, anyway) are living proof that on some level, evolution exists. We take drugs, the bugs in our lungs get 'smart' and adapt to the conditons caused by the drugs. In order to do this, they mutate, or evolve, and become stronger and resistant. Whether you're religious or not, if you have CF, you have to admit that (at least to that degree) evolution is real, and not just a theory.</end quote></div>



The term for that is "adaptation" not "evolution". There's a difference.



Jane, i am a little ofended by the "flying spaghetti monster religion" but I do admit it is sorta funny. =-) If anyone has an open mind and wants to see some science behind doubtting the evolutionary theory, this is a very good site. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/">http://www.answersingenesis.org/</a></end quote></div>

I dunno. I just can't take someone who believes the world is 6000 years old seriously. I'm open minded, and if the bible made sense, well, ya, maybe i would give it a shot. But ya...

But hey...if i was born into a religious family, maybe i would be thinking like that as well, ya know? So whatever, it's all the same in the end.
 
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