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Provoking Thread

my65roses4me

New member
<span style=" font-size: x-small;">Shoshanna's post made me want to
hear other stories about other Cf parents. If you have CF and have
children, whether adopted or naturally, and dont mind sharing your
story please add to this thread. I think that by hearing your
stories we can all learn something from you!<br>
We do have alot of posts here about CF patients wanting to have
children, so I thought that we all need to hear the blunt truth
(good or bad).<br>
I did not want to take away from Shoshana's post so I thought I
would start my own on the subject. Thanks<br>
Please include things like your FEV1 when you conceived (or
received) your child and what it is now, how old you were and how
old you are now, how old your child(ren) are and if they have cf,
how it has affected you and your spouse (and the rest of your
family) and what you think are important things for other cf
patients to consider before having a child.......
 

Allie

New member
Ry and I adopted Ahava, and it was not an easy decision. We made sure she'd have family support after Ry passed, that we could afford to raise her to adulthood, giving her a good life. We also made VERY VERY sure that I was okay with being a single parent, since I knew it would come down to that one day. It was hard, but we made it work. If you have more specific questions, feel free to ask.
 

anonymous

New member
My 'story' is very close to Allie's. We talked about having a child for years (before and after marriage) . I'll never forget the day my husband asked me if I was prepard to be a single parent. I started to say the oh no don't think that way, but he was right and we planned things out with this in mind. We saved every cent we had so we could make a huge downpayment on a house in an excellent school district, we knew I could afford the house on my salary, we talked about everything we could possibly think of. It was really hard to talk out the what ifs, but I am so glad that we did. There was a lot of thought put into it and thankfully we did because my husband passed away before our son turned two.

Dcgal
 

Debi

New member
My mom was going to respond but she and I talked about it and she thought it might be interesting for you to hear from a kid what it's like to have a parent with cf. I am 20, and am home this weekend visiting from college. My parents adopted me when I was a baby, and they didn't know my mom had cf. As far back as I can remember my mom coughed A LOT! And really hard. And she coughs up buckets of mucus. Sometimes she coughs so hard her face turns red and she gasps for breath. FOR A KID, THAT'S REALLY, REALLY SCARY. My mom has been in the hospital several times. When she's gone, my little brother and I can't sleep because we worry that she's not going to come home. Once, about 10 years ago she had to be put on a ventilator and was in the ICU. I was old enough to understand what was going on and it was the worst time of my life. I couldn't think of anything in school except my mom. I had nighmares all the time.

My mom is amazing and she is my hero. But I know that she puts on a tough face to protect us from how much she suffers. I 'm such a baby, I whine and complain when I get a headache. I know her struggles are much greater than my own, but I wanted you to know that it is very difficult to watch your parent in pain and slowly dying. It's not like she's going to get better if I just wait awhile.

During the summer I read some of the posts and I was really pissed off about how some of the people talk about having kids like it's just some cool experience they "need" to have. Do they ever think about the kids? Or are they just being selfish and want to have a kid the way they want a new car or a new house. So they won't feel "cheated." HELLO people. The car, the house and the vacation or whatever doesn't have feelings and won't get freaked out when you need IVs. Kids do get freaked out about it. EVEN WHEN WE TELL YOU WE'RE FINE, WE ARE NOT. WE ARE SCARED SHITLESS!

I know that my mom is not the normal cf patient - she's in her 50's. I'm blessed that she's been around so long. I'm not saying people with cf shouldn't have kids. What do I know - I'm still a kid until next summer <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">. But please don't just have a kid without thinking about the FREAK SHOW you're going to put them in. Medicines where smoke is coming out of their mouths. IV's in their arms. Watching people pound on their backs and chest. And the vest - omg the first time they hooked my mom up to the vest I thought it was something like a science fiction movie and maybe she wasn't really human after all.

My parents have made lots of plans for when my mom dies and they have always been very honest. I'm glad my parents adopted me. But my mom said she sometimes wonders if she would have done it if she had known she had cf. She did say she absolutely would never have had a birthchild if she had known. She says she is grateful that the fertility stuff didn't work for her because she wants to eradicate this f***ing disease from the planet and the only way to do it is to make sure there are no more carriers. And, do you guys get that if you have cf and have a kid there's a pretty big chance your kid will have cf? Do you really need the birthing experience bad enough that you're willing to make a little person go through cf hell??

So, anyway, please, please at least think about the impact on the kids before you just go out and procreate. That's all.

And Mom, if you read this, you rock and I love you more than anything and thanks for letting me speak my mind on your space. And everyone will see YOUR name and think, boy that Debi sure is a bitch!!! hahahaha

Oh yeah, and if anyone wants to tell me "well, but didn't having a sick mom help you become stronger and more compassionate?" I will tell you NO IT DIDN"T. It just made me more anxious. I'm not particularly compassionate (that's my brother's personality).

Debi's daughter
 

Emily65Roses

New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Debi</b></i>
And, do you guys get that if you have cf and have a kid there's a pretty big chance your kid will have cf? Do you really need the birthing experience bad enough that you're willing to make a little person go through cf hell??
Debi's daughter</end quote></div>

Two things:
1). There is a pretty big chance your kid will have CF if you do, yes. A bigger chance than if you only carried it, but your husband has to carry it as well for that big chance to become a reality. If dad doesn't carry it, there is no way the kid will have CF. I figure with Debi for your mom, you probably know that, but you didn't make it clear, so I thought I'd be a snot and do it. Haha.
2). Thank you to Debi's daughter for sharing this (and Debi for letting her...), it's really actually good to read. You don't often read this stuff, and I think it's VERY SMART to have it here for all to read.
 

my65roses4me

New member
<span style=" font-size: x-small;">Well like I said this is a
provoking subject. I knew we would hear some stories that were hard
to hear, but this is good. Thanks for sharing (Debbi's daughter),
this is important. I hope we get some happy stories too.
 

anonymous

New member
I wasn't going to throw my hat into the ring until I read Debi's daughter's post. Thanks for opening this up to the kids affected - good idea!

My experience as a child of a cfer isn't typical - but then again what is typical about this disease? So I will share my thoughts.

My brother and I were adopted before my Dad was diagnosed. We were adopted 4 years apart and aren't biologically related.

Being around a chronically ill parent is scary. Wondering if he would be around for graduation, to walk me down the aisle, etc. Thinking back now, I sure had to grow up before my time. Is that bad? Not necessarily. But bringing a child into a family with a terminally ill parent is a lot to knowingly put on a child.

I was 34 years old when I lost my Dad to CF. I was 8 years old when I knew I would lose him to CF - I suppose that makes me lucky.


As Debi's daughter said, think of your potential children before your own needs and wants. Growing up with a terminally ill parent or worse yet, a deceased parent, is extremely difficult - to put it mildly. I'm not saying CFers shouldn't have children - THAT IS NOT AT ALL what I am saying. Just make sure you are have honestly thought about what this entails for your children.


Knowing what I know now about all our family went through, I would still have wanted my parents to adopt me. I had a great childhood with a fabulous family. But we really beat the odds. My story isn't typical. Sadly the ones that end with a parent dying of CF while the child is still young are the more typical ones.
 

Allie

New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>During the summer I read some of the posts and I was really pissed off about how some of the people talk about having kids like it's just some cool experience they "need" to have. Do they ever think about the kids? Or are they just being selfish and want to have a kid the way they want a new car or a new house. So they won't feel "cheated." HELLO people. The car, the house and the vacation or whatever doesn't have feelings</end quote></div>

Man, I say this ALL THE TIME.
 

anonymous

New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Allie</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>During the summer I read some of the posts and I was really pissed off about how some of the people talk about having kids like it's just some cool experience they "need" to have. Do they ever think about the kids? Or are they just being selfish and want to have a kid the way they want a new car or a new house. So they won't feel "cheated." HELLO people. The car, the house and the vacation or whatever doesn't have feelings</end quote></div>



Man, I say this ALL THE TIME.</end quote></div>


Well said. Thank you for making my husband and me feel validated in our decision to remain a 2-person family. We believe that families begin at the altar on the wedding day--NOT with the addition of children. We're the minority on this issue, certainly, but that doesn't mean we're unfulfilled or that we have not been blessed in our relationship. We are doing the right thing for us.

-lightNlife
 

ladybug

New member
I very much agree with the fact that EVERYONE needs to really think about whether or not they can bring a child into this world or raise a child and what their reasons are for wanting to do so. I think this is especially important for anyone who has a serious condition or disease or is a carrier of such a disease. We must really really look at what our reasons are for wanting to have children and how we <b>and they</b> will feel about that at every stage in life.

I very much appreciate your perspectives on things. Its is great to hear it. I think we get caught up in how things will effect us and don't always think as much about how it will effect others in our lives.

Just curious if people would feel the same if they were adopted by a person who was in remission from cancer or some other disease? The risks are fairly high that cancer can come back and may lead to death. So, would you feel the same about someone in their early years that had the disease, now felt wonderful and had a great opportunity handed them and chose to raise a child?

Similarily, I do know of CFers who have adopted from a third world country or a place that is horrible for orphaned children to grow up. I make the argument (and ask), is it worse for a couple (one parent with CF) to adopt this child and bring it into a loving home knowing it may one day have only one parent? Or, is it worse for the child to remain in an orphanage (or worse.. on the streets) without any parent to offer love and care? Clearly, the countries and/or agencies who do adopt to people with CF feel it is more important to place the child in a loving home even if it means the child MAY be faced with the early death of one of the parents.

I also want to mention, as I'm sure has been said, that many people are now living well into their 50's with this disease and can manage it pretty "well" considering. So, it isn't necessarily the case that a CF parent will die and leave their children with a single parent ealy in life. And, as far as dying later in life and leaving a child, I had friends growing up who had to watch a parent go through a debilitating illness (cancer, MS, etc.) and pass on. So, although those parents did not choose to bring up a child with the knowledge they may die early, it is still a real possibility for anyone, CF or not.

Now, seeing what a parent has to go through to "survive" this dreadful disease is also very real and I appreciate the candidness of the "children" of CF parents that posted how that makes them feel. I very much respect your experiences and perspective on such things. It certainly made me think.

I'd like to make the case that diabetics may also have to be on painful dialysis someday or cancer patients go through painful extensive treatments for cancer... So should no one with diabetes adopt or have a baby since they may end up needing extensive treatments and die painfully and early? In fact, smokers may very well develop emphasema and/or lung cancer, require nebulized treatments and hospitalizations and cough up loads of mucus and be very very ill and die early. Should they not have children because of this? I know neither of the children are suggesting people with CF don't procreate, but I'm just being the devil's advocate here to see another perspective. Just some things to ponder. In all situations, I agree people need to give it some serious thought.

I realize the CF treatment things are more routine and everyday, whereas a diabetic who brings a child into the world may not get very ill and need dialysis until later in the child's life. But, many CF patients are very healthy (and should be if they're considering child rearing) and may require very few hospital visits, so it just comes down to explaining the nebulized treatments and vest (many children who see me doing it have actually wanted to try it since its like an "astronaut"). I lead a fairly normal life aside from these things and have even regained 10% of my lung capacity in the last several years from exercising, so feel that would be the only thing that would really set me apart from other parents that have health issues (diabetic parents, etc.). I have a relative that has severe fibromyalsia and is raising 3 girls. I think her staying in bed all day many days and in constant pain for a great majority of the girls' lives is far more "visible" than my disease. Just another thing to think about.

Very interesting topic. Thank you for starting it and all the wonderful posts!

Edited to add: I also want to mention that though my husband have tried to have a baby and looked into adoption, at this point we are on the fence as to whether we ever want children. So, I am not writing this trying to advocate for all CFers to have children. I'm just throwing out some other things to think about. This is an extremely personal decision and should involve ALL parties involved (including, and most importantly, the unborn or unadopted child.)
 

wanderlost

New member
Please include things like your FEV1 when you conceived (or received) your child and what it is now,:

With my son my PFTS were in the 70s, they are the same now and I am 33 weeks pregnant

how old you were and how old you are now, how old your child(ren) are

I am 29, my son is 6, almost 7, and as I mentioned, I am due Nov. 3rd with my second child and I also have an 11 year old step son.


and if they have cf,

no Cf in the kids.

how it has affected you and your spouse (and the rest of your family)

Beign a parent has affected my spouse as has being a grandparent, uncle, etc. affected my family, but CF has not yet affected any of us, really.


and what you think are important things for other cf patients to consider before having a child

Health, obviously,and the ability to selflessly care for another individual.

This question is hard for me as I have not been a typical CFer - in fact, I just - like this week - told my 6 year old I had CF. He was sort of teasing me about my coughing and I decided it was time to tell him. He took it well, but I think it is very abstract for him. I am not on nebs, IVS, no hospitalizations....I feel these things may come in the future, but so far I have been very lucky. Becasue of this, there was no real debate about having children. It didn't seem to be much of an issue as my health so far has been good. We have talked about if things change, but it is hard to get a grip on that reality when it has not been what I have been living with. I see the decline of my health more of something I may eventually have to deal with than an impending reality - and when it hapoens, we'll deal with it as it comes. As many have said, Cfers are living longer and longer, and I plan on being around to see my kids grow up. My uncle is 54 with Cf and he isn't looking like he is going anywhere soon.
 

Momtana

New member
well, I have been thinking ..... would I have chosen to have children - get pregnant, give birth ... if I had known about the CF?! Two of my children have DeltaF508 and it will influence their choice to have children .... very thought provoking
 

my65roses4me

New member
<span style=" font-size: x-small;">Laura just wanted to let you
know that I have done research about that same thing. "what if
my kids want to have kids". I have found a procedure called
PGD. They can take the Delta F508 while the baby is an embryo. If
you would like a link to read about it just let me
know. 
 

Momtana

New member
Thanks, Khristina.
I have a son (with DF508) who is engaged to a medical student - she's learned about CF from her sister who is a nurse in a children's hospital - she's doesn't think it is worth the risk if she has also has a CF gene. I'm wondering if you have to wait until prenatal care to get the gene test approved and paid for by insurance? Pondering Debi's daughter's post I want to ask my kids how challenging this has been/is for them.
 

my65roses4me

New member
<span style=" font-size: x-small;">I too dont think its worth the
risk if my hubby is a carrier. He will be tested soon for it. We
have decided that if he is a carrier we will not go thru with
having our own baby.
 

princessjdc

New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Debi</b></i>


And, do you guys get that if you have cf and have a kid there's a pretty big chance your kid will have cf? Do you really need the birthing experience bad enough that you're willing to make a little person go through cf hell??

</end quote></div>

Im confused now, so according to Debi's daughter, if I have a child then my child could possibly have cf even though my husband is not a carrier? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0">

I always thought that if your spouse is a carrier then your kid has a chance of being a carrier or have cf and if the spouse is not a carrier then the kid can only be a carrier or no carrier at all. Am i understanding this wrong? Will someone straighten this out for me.

As for having kids, I will only try and have a kid if Im healthy enough and know that I will be there for my kid I may not be alive for all their growing up years but here long enough to teach and watch them grow into adults, at least I hope. I would always want the best for my future children if their will ever be any.
 

anonymous

New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>princessjdc</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Debi</b></i>





And, do you guys get that if you have cf and have a kid there's a pretty big chance your kid will have cf? Do you really need the birthing experience bad enough that you're willing to make a little person go through cf hell??



</end quote></div>



Im confused now, so according to Debi's daughter, if I have a child then my child could possibly have cf even though my husband is not a carrier? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0">



I always thought that if your spouse is a carrier then your kid has a chance of being a carrier or have cf and if the spouse is not a carrier then the kid can only be a carrier or no carrier at all. Am i understanding this wrong? Will someone straighten this out for me.



As for having kids, I will only try and have a kid if Im healthy enough and know that I will be there for my kid I may not be alive for all their growing up years but here long enough to teach and watch them grow into adults, at least I hope. I would always want the best for my future children if their will ever be any.</end quote></div>

Jennifer--What Debi's daughter means is the hell of seeing her mom living/dying with cf. Of course seeing anyone you love suffering from a mental or physical disease has to be tough but I would hope the good times together, and I would imagine there are many would outweigh this feeling of "hell."

a cf mom
 
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