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PeterC

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Big Pharma in collusion with our government is running the US into the ground and codemning us to a life time of slavery!!

U.S. Senators financially enslave Americans as Indentured Servants to Big Pharma
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 by: Mike Adams

The facts found in the report are almost as astonishing as the source of the report itself: USA Today, a mainstream media giant in the United States, has revealed the apparent financial conflict of interest by U.S. Senators who voted against the infamous S.1082 reimportation amendment. That amendment would have ended Big Pharma's monopoly over U.S. consumers and ultimately saved American citizens, businesses and governments tens of millions of dollars by allowing them to import medicines from other nations with approved safety records (such as Canada or Japan).

But 49 Senators voted against the amendment, defending the Big Pharma monopoly that continues to force Americans to pay the highest prices in the world, by far, for medicines. As I've documented in my book, Natural Health Solutions and the Conspiracy to Keep You From Knowing About Them, some pharmaceuticals are marked up 500,000% or more over the cost of their ingredients!

What could have prompted these 49 Senators to vote to protect the profits of drug companies? Follow the money and you'll find your answer. As it turns out, nearly every one of the 49 Senators who voted against drug reimportation has accepted money from drug companies. USA Today reported the top offenders who voted against the bill, along with the dollars they've accepted from drug companies since 2001:


U.S. Senators' Drug Money
Richard Burr, R-N.C.
$520,694

John Kerry, D-Mass.
$304,888

Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.
$281,040

Arlen Specter, R-Pa.
$259,699

Orrin Hatch, R-Utah
$241,850

Max Baucus, D-Mont.
$199,000

Tom Carper, D-Del.
$183,794

Mike Enzi, R-Wyo.
$174,338

Notice that these Senators represent both major political parties, and there's even one independent in the mix. Consumers should remember that no political party will defend the people against powerful corporations. Ultimately, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle will sell out in order to protect their own power and reelection funds.

As Rima Laibow (www.HealthFreedomUSA.org) observed in a recent e-mail update to her readers, it's amazing just how cheaply the U.S. Senators have been bought off! For a few hundred thousand dollars -- the profits from only a couple hundred prescription drug users -- these Senators appear to have been either strongly influenced or outright bribed to kill a measure that would have saved Americans tens of billions of dollars and finally freed the American people from the financial stranglehold of Big Pharma.

These Senators, of course, all insist they were voting to protect the "safety" of Americans, claiming that medicines imported from other countries are dangerous. But medicines bought right here in the United States are killing 100,000+ Americans each year! Do these Senators somehow imagine drugs bought in the U.S. are safer than the same medicines purchased somewhere else? Do they suffer under the illusion that paying more for prescription drugs somehow makes them safer?

When it comes down to it, none of the arguments against drug reimportation hold water. The killing of the amendment was done for one simple, uncomplicated reason: to protect the safety of Big Pharma profits by forcing Americans to pay monopoly prices for their medicines.


Modern-day Indentured Servants
The whole price fixing scam brings to mind a relevant term from American history: Indentured servants. These indentured servants were people who agreed to work a farm or plantation for a period of 4-7 years in exchange for passage to America. But dishonest plantation owners played a cruel trick on the indentured servants: They had to buy their farm tools and supplies from the plantation owner. But they couldn't pay cash since they didn't have any money, so they were forced to extend their work commitment in exchange for tools and supplies.

A shovel, for example, might cost you another month on the farm. A set of work clothes might cost you two months more. Little by little, the plantation owner enslaved the indentured servants in a never-ending cycle of debt that could only be repaid by a lifetime of work ending in death and bankruptcy.

Sound familiar? Americans are trapped in a lifetime of medical debt being paid to wealthy drug corporations. If you live in America and need medicine, the FDA and Big Pharma are doing everything in their power to make sure you have no choice but to buy it from "the company store" -- the monopoly-controlled U.S. pharmaceutical market that's basically in the business of ripping people off by selling them dangerous synthetic chemicals.

Need to control your blood sugar? That's a few thousand dollars a year. Have high cholesterol? Another few thousand. Got cancer? Fork over several thousand dollars each month for yet more chemicals sold at monopoly prices to a nation of health consumers who have been financially enslaved as Indentured Servants. I once talked to a cancer patient who was about to fork over $14,000 per injection for an experimental cancer drug! That person's life savings would have been wiped out in just one month while enriching the richest corporations in the world: drug companies.

Modern medicine is the new indentured servant plantation. Same scam, different crop. The American people are once again being worked to death by greedy businessmen who only wish to increase the size of their own profits, regardless of how many people have to be exploited or destroyed along the way. And 49 U.S. Senators seem to whole-heartedly approve of this financial enslavement of the American people. They voted, on the record, to propel a profiteering price scheme operated by a criminal conspiracy masterminded by the FDA and Big Pharma.


Republican Senators who voted for the financial enslavement of the American people
Lamar Alexander
Robert Bennett
Kit Bond
Jim Bunning
Richard Burr
Saxby Chambliss
Tom Coburn
Thad Cochran
Norm Coleman
Bob Corker
John Cornyn
Michael Crapo
Elizabeth Dole
Pete Domenici
Michael Enzi
Lindsey Graham
Judd Gregg
Chuck Hagel
Orrin Hatch
Kay Bailey Hutchison
Johnny Isakson
Jon Kyl
Richard Lugar
Mel Martinez
Mitch McConnell
Lisa Murkowski
Pat Roberts
Arlen Specter
Ted Stevens
John Sununu
Craig Thomas
George Voinovich
John Warner


Democratic Senators who voted for the financial enslavement of the American people
Max Baucus
Evan Bayh
Maria Cantwell
Thomas Carper
Edward Kennedy
John Kerry
Mary Landrieu
Frank Lautenberg
Blanche Lincoln
Robert Menéndez
Barbara Mikulski
Patty Murray
Ben Nelson
Jay Rockefeller
Kenneth Salazar


Corporate imperialism at work
One thing that these Senators have demonstrated quite convincingly is that the rich get richer in America, especially when rich Senators protect the rich drug companies at the expense of the increasingly impoverished American people.

In my opinion every one of the Senators listed here should be voted out of power at the next available opportunity. But of course, Big Pharma can buy off the replacements just as easily. There's no end to the cash being generated by this illegal price fixing scheme that, by any sane standard, would have long ago been classified as an organized crime racket and prosecuted under the RICO Act.

The real problem, then, is not necessarily dishonest Senators who would sell out their countrymen (and women) for a few dollars from Big Pharma. The real problem is that corporations are allowed to financially influence lawmakers in the first place! The problem is the lobbying and campaign finance structure that allows virtually all lawmakers from both sides of the aisle to be so easily and cheaply bought off (or at least strongly influenced) by corporate interests. Lobbyists are far too influential in Washington, and in fact, the Corporation itself has become dangerous to the health, safety and future of the American people. (View the documentary: The Corporation at <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.TheCorporation.com">http://www.TheCorporation.com</a> )

Even if these 49 Senators actually sold out the American people, and even if they resigned tomorrow (which they would never think of doing, of course), their replacements would be just as easily corrupted by a system of corporate control over U.S. lawmakers that has turned the United States into a Plutocracy -- government by the wealthy elite, where the corporations and the government become one entity that exploits the productivity of the population to enrich the few.

As I pointed out in a previous article about this betrayal by U.S. Senators, many of our lawmakers have become adversaries of the people and are now openly fighting for the expansion of profits and power for mega-corporations while steamrolling the interests and freedoms of the American people. In a very real sense, they have openly betrayed the American people they claim to represent. They have devolved into corporate imperialists who aim to shore up their own power by sacrificing the interests of those they have sworn to protect -- the voters who gullibly put them into power in the first place.

###

About the author: Mike Adams is a natural health researcher and author with a mission to teach personal and planetary health to the public He has authored and published thousands of articles, interviews, consumers guies, and books on topics like health and the environment, impacting the lives of millions of readers around the world who are experiencing phenomenal health benefits from reading his articles. Adams is an honest, independent journalist and accepts no money or commissions on the third-party products he writes about or the companies he promotes. In 2007, Adams launched EcoLEDs, a manufacturer of mercury-free, energy-efficient LED lighting products that save electricity and help prevent global warming. He's also the CEO of a highly successful email newsletter software company that develops software used to send permission email campaigns to subscribers. Adams is currently the executive director of the Consumer Wellness Center, a 501(c)3 non-profit, and practices nature photography, Capoeira, Pilates and organic gardening. Known as the 'Health Ranger,' Adams' personal health statistics and mission statements are located at www.HealthRanger.org

Sincerely:
PeterC 58/cf
 

PeterC

New member
"SIKO

Big Pharma in collusion with our government is running the US into the ground and codemning us to a life time of slavery!!

U.S. Senators financially enslave Americans as Indentured Servants to Big Pharma
Wednesday, May 16, 2007 by: Mike Adams

The facts found in the report are almost as astonishing as the source of the report itself: USA Today, a mainstream media giant in the United States, has revealed the apparent financial conflict of interest by U.S. Senators who voted against the infamous S.1082 reimportation amendment. That amendment would have ended Big Pharma's monopoly over U.S. consumers and ultimately saved American citizens, businesses and governments tens of millions of dollars by allowing them to import medicines from other nations with approved safety records (such as Canada or Japan).

But 49 Senators voted against the amendment, defending the Big Pharma monopoly that continues to force Americans to pay the highest prices in the world, by far, for medicines. As I've documented in my book, Natural Health Solutions and the Conspiracy to Keep You From Knowing About Them, some pharmaceuticals are marked up 500,000% or more over the cost of their ingredients!

What could have prompted these 49 Senators to vote to protect the profits of drug companies? Follow the money and you'll find your answer. As it turns out, nearly every one of the 49 Senators who voted against drug reimportation has accepted money from drug companies. USA Today reported the top offenders who voted against the bill, along with the dollars they've accepted from drug companies since 2001:


U.S. Senators' Drug Money
Richard Burr, R-N.C.
$520,694

John Kerry, D-Mass.
$304,888

Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.
$281,040

Arlen Specter, R-Pa.
$259,699

Orrin Hatch, R-Utah
$241,850

Max Baucus, D-Mont.
$199,000

Tom Carper, D-Del.
$183,794

Mike Enzi, R-Wyo.
$174,338

Notice that these Senators represent both major political parties, and there's even one independent in the mix. Consumers should remember that no political party will defend the people against powerful corporations. Ultimately, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle will sell out in order to protect their own power and reelection funds.

As Rima Laibow (www.HealthFreedomUSA.org) observed in a recent e-mail update to her readers, it's amazing just how cheaply the U.S. Senators have been bought off! For a few hundred thousand dollars -- the profits from only a couple hundred prescription drug users -- these Senators appear to have been either strongly influenced or outright bribed to kill a measure that would have saved Americans tens of billions of dollars and finally freed the American people from the financial stranglehold of Big Pharma.

These Senators, of course, all insist they were voting to protect the "safety" of Americans, claiming that medicines imported from other countries are dangerous. But medicines bought right here in the United States are killing 100,000+ Americans each year! Do these Senators somehow imagine drugs bought in the U.S. are safer than the same medicines purchased somewhere else? Do they suffer under the illusion that paying more for prescription drugs somehow makes them safer?

When it comes down to it, none of the arguments against drug reimportation hold water. The killing of the amendment was done for one simple, uncomplicated reason: to protect the safety of Big Pharma profits by forcing Americans to pay monopoly prices for their medicines.


Modern-day Indentured Servants
The whole price fixing scam brings to mind a relevant term from American history: Indentured servants. These indentured servants were people who agreed to work a farm or plantation for a period of 4-7 years in exchange for passage to America. But dishonest plantation owners played a cruel trick on the indentured servants: They had to buy their farm tools and supplies from the plantation owner. But they couldn't pay cash since they didn't have any money, so they were forced to extend their work commitment in exchange for tools and supplies.

A shovel, for example, might cost you another month on the farm. A set of work clothes might cost you two months more. Little by little, the plantation owner enslaved the indentured servants in a never-ending cycle of debt that could only be repaid by a lifetime of work ending in death and bankruptcy.

Sound familiar? Americans are trapped in a lifetime of medical debt being paid to wealthy drug corporations. If you live in America and need medicine, the FDA and Big Pharma are doing everything in their power to make sure you have no choice but to buy it from "the company store" -- the monopoly-controlled U.S. pharmaceutical market that's basically in the business of ripping people off by selling them dangerous synthetic chemicals.

Need to control your blood sugar? That's a few thousand dollars a year. Have high cholesterol? Another few thousand. Got cancer? Fork over several thousand dollars each month for yet more chemicals sold at monopoly prices to a nation of health consumers who have been financially enslaved as Indentured Servants. I once talked to a cancer patient who was about to fork over $14,000 per injection for an experimental cancer drug! That person's life savings would have been wiped out in just one month while enriching the richest corporations in the world: drug companies.

Modern medicine is the new indentured servant plantation. Same scam, different crop. The American people are once again being worked to death by greedy businessmen who only wish to increase the size of their own profits, regardless of how many people have to be exploited or destroyed along the way. And 49 U.S. Senators seem to whole-heartedly approve of this financial enslavement of the American people. They voted, on the record, to propel a profiteering price scheme operated by a criminal conspiracy masterminded by the FDA and Big Pharma.


Republican Senators who voted for the financial enslavement of the American people
Lamar Alexander
Robert Bennett
Kit Bond
Jim Bunning
Richard Burr
Saxby Chambliss
Tom Coburn
Thad Cochran
Norm Coleman
Bob Corker
John Cornyn
Michael Crapo
Elizabeth Dole
Pete Domenici
Michael Enzi
Lindsey Graham
Judd Gregg
Chuck Hagel
Orrin Hatch
Kay Bailey Hutchison
Johnny Isakson
Jon Kyl
Richard Lugar
Mel Martinez
Mitch McConnell
Lisa Murkowski
Pat Roberts
Arlen Specter
Ted Stevens
John Sununu
Craig Thomas
George Voinovich
John Warner


Democratic Senators who voted for the financial enslavement of the American people
Max Baucus
Evan Bayh
Maria Cantwell
Thomas Carper
Edward Kennedy
John Kerry
Mary Landrieu
Frank Lautenberg
Blanche Lincoln
Robert Menéndez
Barbara Mikulski
Patty Murray
Ben Nelson
Jay Rockefeller
Kenneth Salazar


Corporate imperialism at work
One thing that these Senators have demonstrated quite convincingly is that the rich get richer in America, especially when rich Senators protect the rich drug companies at the expense of the increasingly impoverished American people.

In my opinion every one of the Senators listed here should be voted out of power at the next available opportunity. But of course, Big Pharma can buy off the replacements just as easily. There's no end to the cash being generated by this illegal price fixing scheme that, by any sane standard, would have long ago been classified as an organized crime racket and prosecuted under the RICO Act.

The real problem, then, is not necessarily dishonest Senators who would sell out their countrymen (and women) for a few dollars from Big Pharma. The real problem is that corporations are allowed to financially influence lawmakers in the first place! The problem is the lobbying and campaign finance structure that allows virtually all lawmakers from both sides of the aisle to be so easily and cheaply bought off (or at least strongly influenced) by corporate interests. Lobbyists are far too influential in Washington, and in fact, the Corporation itself has become dangerous to the health, safety and future of the American people. (View the documentary: The Corporation at <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.TheCorporation.com">http://www.TheCorporation.com</a> )

Even if these 49 Senators actually sold out the American people, and even if they resigned tomorrow (which they would never think of doing, of course), their replacements would be just as easily corrupted by a system of corporate control over U.S. lawmakers that has turned the United States into a Plutocracy -- government by the wealthy elite, where the corporations and the government become one entity that exploits the productivity of the population to enrich the few.

As I pointed out in a previous article about this betrayal by U.S. Senators, many of our lawmakers have become adversaries of the people and are now openly fighting for the expansion of profits and power for mega-corporations while steamrolling the interests and freedoms of the American people. In a very real sense, they have openly betrayed the American people they claim to represent. They have devolved into corporate imperialists who aim to shore up their own power by sacrificing the interests of those they have sworn to protect -- the voters who gullibly put them into power in the first place.

###

About the author: Mike Adams is a natural health researcher and author with a mission to teach personal and planetary health to the public He has authored and published thousands of articles, interviews, consumers guies, and books on topics like health and the environment, impacting the lives of millions of readers around the world who are experiencing phenomenal health benefits from reading his articles. Adams is an honest, independent journalist and accepts no money or commissions on the third-party products he writes about or the companies he promotes. In 2007, Adams launched EcoLEDs, a manufacturer of mercury-free, energy-efficient LED lighting products that save electricity and help prevent global warming. He's also the CEO of a highly successful email newsletter software company that develops software used to send permission email campaigns to subscribers. Adams is currently the executive director of the Consumer Wellness Center, a 501(c)3 non-profit, and practices nature photography, Capoeira, Pilates and organic gardening. Known as the 'Health Ranger,' Adams' personal health statistics and mission statements are located at www.HealthRanger.org

Sincerely:
PeterC 58/cf
 

Mockingbird

New member
"SIKO

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>HBanana</b></i>
I too am covered, but won't be in about a year, which is why i feel it is important.</end quote></div>

There's a way you can keep from getting dropped from your parent's insurance. I remember when I turned 18 my doctor wrote a letter or something that proved I was disabled and the insurance company could not drop me. Hopefully someone will have some more information on that; if nothing else, be sure to talk to your CF clinic.
 

Mockingbird

New member
"SIKO

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>HBanana</b></i>
I too am covered, but won't be in about a year, which is why i feel it is important.</end quote></div>

There's a way you can keep from getting dropped from your parent's insurance. I remember when I turned 18 my doctor wrote a letter or something that proved I was disabled and the insurance company could not drop me. Hopefully someone will have some more information on that; if nothing else, be sure to talk to your CF clinic.
 

Mockingbird

New member
"SIKO

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>HBanana</b></i>
I too am covered, but won't be in about a year, which is why i feel it is important.</end quote></div>

There's a way you can keep from getting dropped from your parent's insurance. I remember when I turned 18 my doctor wrote a letter or something that proved I was disabled and the insurance company could not drop me. Hopefully someone will have some more information on that; if nothing else, be sure to talk to your CF clinic.
 

Mockingbird

New member
"SIKO

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>HBanana</b></i>
I too am covered, but won't be in about a year, which is why i feel it is important.</end quote></div>

There's a way you can keep from getting dropped from your parent's insurance. I remember when I turned 18 my doctor wrote a letter or something that proved I was disabled and the insurance company could not drop me. Hopefully someone will have some more information on that; if nothing else, be sure to talk to your CF clinic.
 

Mockingbird

New member
"SIKO

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>HBanana</b></i>
I too am covered, but won't be in about a year, which is why i feel it is important.</end quote>

There's a way you can keep from getting dropped from your parent's insurance. I remember when I turned 18 my doctor wrote a letter or something that proved I was disabled and the insurance company could not drop me. Hopefully someone will have some more information on that; if nothing else, be sure to talk to your CF clinic.
 

Mockingbird

New member
"SIKO

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>HBanana</b></i>
I too am covered, but won't be in about a year, which is why i feel it is important.</end quote>

There's a way you can keep from getting dropped from your parent's insurance. I remember when I turned 18 my doctor wrote a letter or something that proved I was disabled and the insurance company could not drop me. Hopefully someone will have some more information on that; if nothing else, be sure to talk to your CF clinic.
 

okok

New member
"SIKO

HBanana,

I agree with you completely. Unfortunately, I don't think any of the people who posted on your thread against the idea of universal health care are really open to changing their minds. I'm not trying to say that they are wrong or that they shouldn't feel as strongly as they do but i think health is something that everyone is so strongly effected by on this forum that it is an extremely personal topic in which people are highly emotionally invested. It is kind of hard to be objective about something when your health and life is so dependant upon it. Cfers have to deal with their health and health care systems much more intimately than other people so I imagine it can be extremely hard to be objective about it. Also I can empathize with the fear they must feel in thinking that they could get substandard care.

I think some people on this forum are almost reverent about meds, vest and treatments. They feel their life or loved ones life depends on it and they really do cherish the comfort they get from knowing that they can have a positive impact on their health. The idea that their health care could change must be terrifying when you have that veiw.

Personally, over the years, i've become very cynical about meds and treatments. I remember when pulmozyne was thought of as a curative breakthrough. I just can't get my hopes up anymore and I struggle to maintain the appearence of a positive attitude for the sake of my family. I do believe very strongly in exersize as a form of CPT but you don't need expensive health care plans for that do you???
Personally i think exersize is much more effective than the vest since the phasic motion of breathing is the most efficient way to activate alternate chloride channels and to hydrate the lungs. I think manual CPT could have a role in targeting the areas of the lungs which the bulk air flow that occurs during breathing does not target as well (ie the top of the lungs). However i do not see how the vest does this very efficiently. I don't have any personal experience wit the vest though since we cannot afford a vest and are insurance will not cover one. Also i think hypertonic saline is a great treatment since it actually addresses the key feature of the disease pathology. I wish we had known about it sooner. Unfortunately I suspect that a tolerence to it develops over time but i am not sure.

Anyway my personal feelings about treatments, etc are not really any more valid than those who strongly believe in them and revere them for the sense of power and control they give them. And I am certainly just as subject to bias as they are. I just think that my personal beliefs may make me more open to the idea of change in our health care system since i have less invested in various meds and treatments than others might.

To finish though, i absolutely believe we need universal health care. I don't agree with any of the views or arguements made against it. I really hope that you get your health care figured out. Some plans (assuming your parents have private insurance and not medicaid) will allow a child to remain covered until the age of 24 if he/she is still in school.
 

okok

New member
"SIKO

HBanana,

I agree with you completely. Unfortunately, I don't think any of the people who posted on your thread against the idea of universal health care are really open to changing their minds. I'm not trying to say that they are wrong or that they shouldn't feel as strongly as they do but i think health is something that everyone is so strongly effected by on this forum that it is an extremely personal topic in which people are highly emotionally invested. It is kind of hard to be objective about something when your health and life is so dependant upon it. Cfers have to deal with their health and health care systems much more intimately than other people so I imagine it can be extremely hard to be objective about it. Also I can empathize with the fear they must feel in thinking that they could get substandard care.

I think some people on this forum are almost reverent about meds, vest and treatments. They feel their life or loved ones life depends on it and they really do cherish the comfort they get from knowing that they can have a positive impact on their health. The idea that their health care could change must be terrifying when you have that veiw.

Personally, over the years, i've become very cynical about meds and treatments. I remember when pulmozyne was thought of as a curative breakthrough. I just can't get my hopes up anymore and I struggle to maintain the appearence of a positive attitude for the sake of my family. I do believe very strongly in exersize as a form of CPT but you don't need expensive health care plans for that do you???
Personally i think exersize is much more effective than the vest since the phasic motion of breathing is the most efficient way to activate alternate chloride channels and to hydrate the lungs. I think manual CPT could have a role in targeting the areas of the lungs which the bulk air flow that occurs during breathing does not target as well (ie the top of the lungs). However i do not see how the vest does this very efficiently. I don't have any personal experience wit the vest though since we cannot afford a vest and are insurance will not cover one. Also i think hypertonic saline is a great treatment since it actually addresses the key feature of the disease pathology. I wish we had known about it sooner. Unfortunately I suspect that a tolerence to it develops over time but i am not sure.

Anyway my personal feelings about treatments, etc are not really any more valid than those who strongly believe in them and revere them for the sense of power and control they give them. And I am certainly just as subject to bias as they are. I just think that my personal beliefs may make me more open to the idea of change in our health care system since i have less invested in various meds and treatments than others might.

To finish though, i absolutely believe we need universal health care. I don't agree with any of the views or arguements made against it. I really hope that you get your health care figured out. Some plans (assuming your parents have private insurance and not medicaid) will allow a child to remain covered until the age of 24 if he/she is still in school.
 

okok

New member
"SIKO

HBanana,

I agree with you completely. Unfortunately, I don't think any of the people who posted on your thread against the idea of universal health care are really open to changing their minds. I'm not trying to say that they are wrong or that they shouldn't feel as strongly as they do but i think health is something that everyone is so strongly effected by on this forum that it is an extremely personal topic in which people are highly emotionally invested. It is kind of hard to be objective about something when your health and life is so dependant upon it. Cfers have to deal with their health and health care systems much more intimately than other people so I imagine it can be extremely hard to be objective about it. Also I can empathize with the fear they must feel in thinking that they could get substandard care.

I think some people on this forum are almost reverent about meds, vest and treatments. They feel their life or loved ones life depends on it and they really do cherish the comfort they get from knowing that they can have a positive impact on their health. The idea that their health care could change must be terrifying when you have that veiw.

Personally, over the years, i've become very cynical about meds and treatments. I remember when pulmozyne was thought of as a curative breakthrough. I just can't get my hopes up anymore and I struggle to maintain the appearence of a positive attitude for the sake of my family. I do believe very strongly in exersize as a form of CPT but you don't need expensive health care plans for that do you???
Personally i think exersize is much more effective than the vest since the phasic motion of breathing is the most efficient way to activate alternate chloride channels and to hydrate the lungs. I think manual CPT could have a role in targeting the areas of the lungs which the bulk air flow that occurs during breathing does not target as well (ie the top of the lungs). However i do not see how the vest does this very efficiently. I don't have any personal experience wit the vest though since we cannot afford a vest and are insurance will not cover one. Also i think hypertonic saline is a great treatment since it actually addresses the key feature of the disease pathology. I wish we had known about it sooner. Unfortunately I suspect that a tolerence to it develops over time but i am not sure.

Anyway my personal feelings about treatments, etc are not really any more valid than those who strongly believe in them and revere them for the sense of power and control they give them. And I am certainly just as subject to bias as they are. I just think that my personal beliefs may make me more open to the idea of change in our health care system since i have less invested in various meds and treatments than others might.

To finish though, i absolutely believe we need universal health care. I don't agree with any of the views or arguements made against it. I really hope that you get your health care figured out. Some plans (assuming your parents have private insurance and not medicaid) will allow a child to remain covered until the age of 24 if he/she is still in school.
 

okok

New member
"SIKO

HBanana,

I agree with you completely. Unfortunately, I don't think any of the people who posted on your thread against the idea of universal health care are really open to changing their minds. I'm not trying to say that they are wrong or that they shouldn't feel as strongly as they do but i think health is something that everyone is so strongly effected by on this forum that it is an extremely personal topic in which people are highly emotionally invested. It is kind of hard to be objective about something when your health and life is so dependant upon it. Cfers have to deal with their health and health care systems much more intimately than other people so I imagine it can be extremely hard to be objective about it. Also I can empathize with the fear they must feel in thinking that they could get substandard care.

I think some people on this forum are almost reverent about meds, vest and treatments. They feel their life or loved ones life depends on it and they really do cherish the comfort they get from knowing that they can have a positive impact on their health. The idea that their health care could change must be terrifying when you have that veiw.

Personally, over the years, i've become very cynical about meds and treatments. I remember when pulmozyne was thought of as a curative breakthrough. I just can't get my hopes up anymore and I struggle to maintain the appearence of a positive attitude for the sake of my family. I do believe very strongly in exersize as a form of CPT but you don't need expensive health care plans for that do you???
Personally i think exersize is much more effective than the vest since the phasic motion of breathing is the most efficient way to activate alternate chloride channels and to hydrate the lungs. I think manual CPT could have a role in targeting the areas of the lungs which the bulk air flow that occurs during breathing does not target as well (ie the top of the lungs). However i do not see how the vest does this very efficiently. I don't have any personal experience wit the vest though since we cannot afford a vest and are insurance will not cover one. Also i think hypertonic saline is a great treatment since it actually addresses the key feature of the disease pathology. I wish we had known about it sooner. Unfortunately I suspect that a tolerence to it develops over time but i am not sure.

Anyway my personal feelings about treatments, etc are not really any more valid than those who strongly believe in them and revere them for the sense of power and control they give them. And I am certainly just as subject to bias as they are. I just think that my personal beliefs may make me more open to the idea of change in our health care system since i have less invested in various meds and treatments than others might.

To finish though, i absolutely believe we need universal health care. I don't agree with any of the views or arguements made against it. I really hope that you get your health care figured out. Some plans (assuming your parents have private insurance and not medicaid) will allow a child to remain covered until the age of 24 if he/she is still in school.
 

okok

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HBanana,

I agree with you completely. Unfortunately, I don't think any of the people who posted on your thread against the idea of universal health care are really open to changing their minds. I'm not trying to say that they are wrong or that they shouldn't feel as strongly as they do but i think health is something that everyone is so strongly effected by on this forum that it is an extremely personal topic in which people are highly emotionally invested. It is kind of hard to be objective about something when your health and life is so dependant upon it. Cfers have to deal with their health and health care systems much more intimately than other people so I imagine it can be extremely hard to be objective about it. Also I can empathize with the fear they must feel in thinking that they could get substandard care.

I think some people on this forum are almost reverent about meds, vest and treatments. They feel their life or loved ones life depends on it and they really do cherish the comfort they get from knowing that they can have a positive impact on their health. The idea that their health care could change must be terrifying when you have that veiw.

Personally, over the years, i've become very cynical about meds and treatments. I remember when pulmozyne was thought of as a curative breakthrough. I just can't get my hopes up anymore and I struggle to maintain the appearence of a positive attitude for the sake of my family. I do believe very strongly in exersize as a form of CPT but you don't need expensive health care plans for that do you???
Personally i think exersize is much more effective than the vest since the phasic motion of breathing is the most efficient way to activate alternate chloride channels and to hydrate the lungs. I think manual CPT could have a role in targeting the areas of the lungs which the bulk air flow that occurs during breathing does not target as well (ie the top of the lungs). However i do not see how the vest does this very efficiently. I don't have any personal experience wit the vest though since we cannot afford a vest and are insurance will not cover one. Also i think hypertonic saline is a great treatment since it actually addresses the key feature of the disease pathology. I wish we had known about it sooner. Unfortunately I suspect that a tolerence to it develops over time but i am not sure.

Anyway my personal feelings about treatments, etc are not really any more valid than those who strongly believe in them and revere them for the sense of power and control they give them. And I am certainly just as subject to bias as they are. I just think that my personal beliefs may make me more open to the idea of change in our health care system since i have less invested in various meds and treatments than others might.

To finish though, i absolutely believe we need universal health care. I don't agree with any of the views or arguements made against it. I really hope that you get your health care figured out. Some plans (assuming your parents have private insurance and not medicaid) will allow a child to remain covered until the age of 24 if he/she is still in school.
 

okok

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"SIKO

HBanana,

I agree with you completely. Unfortunately, I don't think any of the people who posted on your thread against the idea of universal health care are really open to changing their minds. I'm not trying to say that they are wrong or that they shouldn't feel as strongly as they do but i think health is something that everyone is so strongly effected by on this forum that it is an extremely personal topic in which people are highly emotionally invested. It is kind of hard to be objective about something when your health and life is so dependant upon it. Cfers have to deal with their health and health care systems much more intimately than other people so I imagine it can be extremely hard to be objective about it. Also I can empathize with the fear they must feel in thinking that they could get substandard care.

I think some people on this forum are almost reverent about meds, vest and treatments. They feel their life or loved ones life depends on it and they really do cherish the comfort they get from knowing that they can have a positive impact on their health. The idea that their health care could change must be terrifying when you have that veiw.

Personally, over the years, i've become very cynical about meds and treatments. I remember when pulmozyne was thought of as a curative breakthrough. I just can't get my hopes up anymore and I struggle to maintain the appearence of a positive attitude for the sake of my family. I do believe very strongly in exersize as a form of CPT but you don't need expensive health care plans for that do you???
Personally i think exersize is much more effective than the vest since the phasic motion of breathing is the most efficient way to activate alternate chloride channels and to hydrate the lungs. I think manual CPT could have a role in targeting the areas of the lungs which the bulk air flow that occurs during breathing does not target as well (ie the top of the lungs). However i do not see how the vest does this very efficiently. I don't have any personal experience wit the vest though since we cannot afford a vest and are insurance will not cover one. Also i think hypertonic saline is a great treatment since it actually addresses the key feature of the disease pathology. I wish we had known about it sooner. Unfortunately I suspect that a tolerence to it develops over time but i am not sure.

Anyway my personal feelings about treatments, etc are not really any more valid than those who strongly believe in them and revere them for the sense of power and control they give them. And I am certainly just as subject to bias as they are. I just think that my personal beliefs may make me more open to the idea of change in our health care system since i have less invested in various meds and treatments than others might.

To finish though, i absolutely believe we need universal health care. I don't agree with any of the views or arguements made against it. I really hope that you get your health care figured out. Some plans (assuming your parents have private insurance and not medicaid) will allow a child to remain covered until the age of 24 if he/she is still in school.
 

AnD

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"SIKO

I believe in universal healthcare- but not socialized medicine. I think that medical insurance (major medical) should be required, just like car insurance, to eliminate those who think "image/lifestyle" things (latest phone, $400 name brand shoes, etc.) are more important than health insurance. Get caught in the hospital without it? A big fine and automatic mandatory enrollment in the cheapest plan. Just a thought... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

Then there should be programs (both government and private) to help those who qualify purchase private insurance. But I by no means want the government determining my benefits and what procedures I have, when I have them, what doctor I see, etc. I think that anyone who has even read the disablity requirement tests and heard from people trying to deal with that system would run screaming from having the government dictate their healthcare. Just my 2 cents...
 

AnD

New member
"SIKO

I believe in universal healthcare- but not socialized medicine. I think that medical insurance (major medical) should be required, just like car insurance, to eliminate those who think "image/lifestyle" things (latest phone, $400 name brand shoes, etc.) are more important than health insurance. Get caught in the hospital without it? A big fine and automatic mandatory enrollment in the cheapest plan. Just a thought... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

Then there should be programs (both government and private) to help those who qualify purchase private insurance. But I by no means want the government determining my benefits and what procedures I have, when I have them, what doctor I see, etc. I think that anyone who has even read the disablity requirement tests and heard from people trying to deal with that system would run screaming from having the government dictate their healthcare. Just my 2 cents...
 

AnD

New member
"SIKO

I believe in universal healthcare- but not socialized medicine. I think that medical insurance (major medical) should be required, just like car insurance, to eliminate those who think "image/lifestyle" things (latest phone, $400 name brand shoes, etc.) are more important than health insurance. Get caught in the hospital without it? A big fine and automatic mandatory enrollment in the cheapest plan. Just a thought... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

Then there should be programs (both government and private) to help those who qualify purchase private insurance. But I by no means want the government determining my benefits and what procedures I have, when I have them, what doctor I see, etc. I think that anyone who has even read the disablity requirement tests and heard from people trying to deal with that system would run screaming from having the government dictate their healthcare. Just my 2 cents...
 

AnD

New member
"SIKO

I believe in universal healthcare- but not socialized medicine. I think that medical insurance (major medical) should be required, just like car insurance, to eliminate those who think "image/lifestyle" things (latest phone, $400 name brand shoes, etc.) are more important than health insurance. Get caught in the hospital without it? A big fine and automatic mandatory enrollment in the cheapest plan. Just a thought... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

Then there should be programs (both government and private) to help those who qualify purchase private insurance. But I by no means want the government determining my benefits and what procedures I have, when I have them, what doctor I see, etc. I think that anyone who has even read the disablity requirement tests and heard from people trying to deal with that system would run screaming from having the government dictate their healthcare. Just my 2 cents...
 

AnD

New member
"SIKO

I believe in universal healthcare- but not socialized medicine. I think that medical insurance (major medical) should be required, just like car insurance, to eliminate those who think "image/lifestyle" things (latest phone, $400 name brand shoes, etc.) are more important than health insurance. Get caught in the hospital without it? A big fine and automatic mandatory enrollment in the cheapest plan. Just a thought... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

Then there should be programs (both government and private) to help those who qualify purchase private insurance. But I by no means want the government determining my benefits and what procedures I have, when I have them, what doctor I see, etc. I think that anyone who has even read the disablity requirement tests and heard from people trying to deal with that system would run screaming from having the government dictate their healthcare. Just my 2 cents...
 

AnD

New member
"SIKO

I believe in universal healthcare- but not socialized medicine. I think that medical insurance (major medical) should be required, just like car insurance, to eliminate those who think "image/lifestyle" things (latest phone, $400 name brand shoes, etc.) are more important than health insurance. Get caught in the hospital without it? A big fine and automatic mandatory enrollment in the cheapest plan. Just a thought... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

Then there should be programs (both government and private) to help those who qualify purchase private insurance. But I by no means want the government determining my benefits and what procedures I have, when I have them, what doctor I see, etc. I think that anyone who has even read the disablity requirement tests and heard from people trying to deal with that system would run screaming from having the government dictate their healthcare. Just my 2 cents...
 
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